“9/11 is increasingly irrelevant to modern events, and that “exposing” the truth about 9/11 changes essentially nothing about the current reality.

Whatever truth there was in that claim 17 years ago when those groups were weak, it’s not true today. So then what is the ultimate purpose of 9/11 truth when its central premise, that the “terror threat” is entirely fabricated by governments, is belied by modern developments? These truthers have to maintain that all Islamic-related terrorism since 9/11 has also been faked, or else they risk losing relevance.

If you believe groups like ISIS are a real threat in some countries, like Syria, Iraq, etc., then explain the necessity of 9/11 truth. 9/11 truth was designed to debunk the “threat” and say it’s either minuscule or non-existent.

Embracing the latest cause du jour, some 9/11 truthers have morphed into war-time propagandists for the Assad regime. These people are now committed to writing propaganda to help legitimize Assad’s rule in Syria.

But from that perspective, 9/11 truth actually serves to undermine the case for Assad, because all it does is make al-Qaeda look less bad than they are.

However, they’re still “false-flaggers” when it comes to Syria, as they claim every war-time atrocity blamed on Assad was really the sinister handiwork of the Islamist rebels.

These truthers are schizophrenic anyway. These fools only oppose intervention from the US or NATO, while backing with vigor the interventionist military moves of Russia, Iran, etc.

The only utility I can see with 9/11 truth is making an anti-Zionist argument out of it. It can be used to show that Israel and Jewish neocons manipulated the event to drag the West into senseless wars for their interests. But that can be shown in myriad other ways as well. 9/11 is a very Muslim-centric issue, so those committed to it are clearly partial to Arab-Muslim interests as a whole. If you’re not a Muslim or Arab with a stake in the political future of the Middle East, it makes little sense to focus on 9/11 and related issues.”

How many Muslim or Arab immigrants in the West are even committed 9/11 truthers? Probably not very many. So why would I or any other Westerner go out of our way to shill for Muslims?”

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I’m realizing that there is so much disinformation and since you are an expert about 9/11, you could say what’s the truth. I do believe that 9/11 was an insider job, but it seems that some clams seem to be wrong.

Secularists backed by Jews are the reason we have more nominal Christians. But this is not true for every European country. In Poland, Ukraine, and in countries that were part of the Soviet Union Christianity is on the rise and by far the number one religion. If we manage to regain our sovereignty then we will be able to rule ourselves as a Christian majority and rid ourselves of homosexuality, pornography, prostitution, transgenderism, and all the degeneracy the Jewish lobby is pushing on us. I do not see this as fundamentalist thinking. This is how we can save our European nations.

With the exception of some Muslims, it’s just funny as hell seeing all these different Muslims as well as many Arabs blaming whites for colonialism, slavery, racism, ‘privilege’, etc., in their holier than thou fashion. I was just talking to somebody in the ‘truth movement’ who literally told me that Muslims have “never” engaged in colonialism and slavery, lmfao. It’s that bad. They’ve also got this assortment of memes compiled like a quote they took from Malcolm X talking about how there’s “no racism” in Islam. Of course I laugh my mother fukin ass off at that. I mean, not only are they seriously deluded, but you could cover this shit for weeks. It’s a combination of either sheer ignorance, or just being allergic to actually looking shit up and/or thinking for oneself.

Generally speaking, Muslims will be pro-Muslim, and this is expected because it’s natural for any group to be self-interested. What is not natural is having entitled Muslims come in to your countries thinking they can just call the shots and tell you how the fuck to live and what you can and can’t say about them. Many Muslims have seriously pissed me off, just like these Marxist, “Muslims don’t commit no crime” ideologues like Barrett or Labonte or Azaziah or Mark Glenn or Khanverse, amongst so many others.

Sorry, but Iran is no angel either and their misdeeds have to also be called out or all the Marxists in the “truth movement” will continue on thinking that Muslims and Arabs are all just “oppressed little angels”, ‘superior in morality and being’ and whatever other hogwash they like to come up with. Covering things such as the migrant crisis or the rise of the Islamic presence in places like Europe or Australia, or the war on whites is beyond these jokers and they need to be put to the fire on it.

Do you have any idea at all how people are even recruited to join Daesh or how they dupe people who don’t know much about Islam?

The fact that they recruit gullible idiots to join their cause does not mean they’re not Islamic. They are Islamic because that’s what they say that they are. Their leader Al-Baghdadi was an Islamic scholar of some sort. In ISIS-controlled territory they even have Islamic courts and judges doing rulings based on Sharia law. What are they following if not Islamic texts, the Egyptian book of the dead?

Do you have any understanding that Daesh’s actions completely betray basic tenants of Islam?

I don’t believe that. Daesh has an interpretation of Islam that they believe is correct. The Koran has many passages that call for violence against non-Muslims and “heretics” within the religion. They’re clinging to those passages to justify what they do. Like any religious text the Koran is up for interpretation, so that’s what we’re seeing with Daesh.

I can see you are not enlightened about the global threat of Zionism/Israel/Jews.

I know all about it but I asked why I should focus on Jewish-Zionist schemes against Arabs/Muslims as opposed to Jewish/Zionist schemes against whites here in the West? Jews are not only plotting against Muslims, they’ve been steadily undermining the white world as well for centuries. Why should my focus not be on what afflicts my own people here?

You’re not a citizen of the USA and somehow you think it’s all about virtue signaling for Muslims as though they’re helpless without your dashing and charming intervention?

The “truther” cult is by and large virtue signalling for Muslims/Arabs in the Middle East. All they do is write propaganda to exonerate Muslims when they’re accused of something evil.

What about the Christians and atheists in Palestine? You think only Muslims live there?

And how numerous are Christians and atheists in Palestine, like maybe 1-2% of the population? It’s so minuscule. The reasons Muslims care about Palestinians is because they’re mostly Muslims. If Palestinians were mostly Christians or Atheists most Muslims wouldn’t give a damn about them because they believe non-believers are going to hell anyway.

You’re listening to Christian Zionists who are on a “Fuck Islam” brigade and need to stop. They’ve been changing the way you’ve been talking.

I don’t listen to any Christian Zionists. Muslims and Jews are both problems for the West, just in different ways. I don’t see why I have to pick a side between the two in their little inter-Abrahamic war. We need to save the West from globalism and the radical left. I have no time to waste on these Semitic squabbles in the middle east which will go on forever.

Your sentence here: “But proving 9/11 was a false-flag in order to make Muslims look good does not even really work…” Dude, seriously, what is going on in your brain? Proving what happened with 9/11 is not done to make Muslims look good. That is not the point to exposing truth!

I can see you are not enlightened about the global threat of Zionism/Israel/Jews. You write, “So I must commit my life to ‘exposing’ Zionist deceptions that have villainizied Muslims/Arabs…” and “Why would I or any other Westerner go out of our way to shill for Muslims on terrorism…?” Do you see now, Brandon? You think this is all for Muslims. You don’t even realize that Zionism is a GLOBAL threat and they want WORLD dominance. You don’t even understand how they’re breaking apart the USA, how they’re using it, how their plan is to destroy us too. You just don’t get it. You’re not a citizen of the USA and somehow you think it’s all about virtue signaling for Muslims as though they’re helpless without your dashing and charming intervention? What about the Christians and atheists in Palestine? You think only Muslims live there?

Straight up, dude: You’re listening to Christian Zionists who are on a “Fuck Islam” brigade and need to stop. They’ve been changing the way you’ve been talking. I’m really curious if you’ll approve my comment. We shall see.

Do you believe that as Europeans we are stronger as Christians? You say the presence of Muslims and Jews in Europe is a Semitic issue and we should want nothing to do with their Semitic fighting in the Middle East. But what of Christians? Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion. It is founded by a Middle Easterner. It is Middle Eastern by its very Abrahamic nature. Doesn’t standing for our values mean we are taking part in a Semitic squabble?

In the Manosphere and the men’s rights movement, I’ve come across my fair share of dudes that believed women literally run the world. It’s not so much that they were dumb; it was the result of going deep down the rabbit hole and seeing how the establishment (laws, courts, media, politicians, universities, ‘anti-hate’ organizations, etc) is so anti-male and so pro-female, *combined* with the fact that for many of these dudes, it was the first cause they ever took up, so they were very green/ignorant of so many other issues.

Let’s say you took the average ‘truther’ and made them debate your average men’s rights activist on male/female gender dynamics. The ‘truther’ would be like a fish out-of-water because he hasn’t put the time and research into it, while at the same time he might also be struggling with strong cognitive dissonance. If you took the average men’s rights activist and made them debate a truther on who runs the government, the men’s rights activist will generally be like a fish out-of-water because this is not his expertise/field. Now some truthers and MRAs can pick it up, and more and more have been, but this is still the general trend of things.

There are a bunch of fields and even arts out there where the people that are the best in these areas have gone through a long process of continually learning and getting better at them. For example, maybe a veteran boxer, through experience, has learned many tricks of the trade that someone new to the game has had no chance/way of knowing; he ‘learned the ropes’ as it were. At the same time, certain people hit some kind of in-built ceilings the prevent them from making new realizations, that stunt them in their learning process/progress. These reasons could be so many.

There are also quite a few truthers that see any/all western military action, including military personnel as being ‘evil’. This isn’t exactly the case, either. While there are plenty of atrocities carried out by the American military, the vast majority of the dudes that enter the military are not ‘psychopaths’.

Someone that comes to my mind is Jocko Willink. Jocko went to Iraq (Ramadi) in 2006. While he’s a very honest dude and has a broad understanding of what he and other Team members and Iraqis went through (Ramadi was one of the most dangerous cities in the world at the time, as they’d been over-run by ISIS, and the US military was tasked at going in and removing them. They had to do this the slow, hard way. They also teamed up with and taught Iraqi soldiers who also hated ISIS – this is contradictory to the narrative that no Iraqis want American military personnel there. He lost buddies in the battle, and after the US pulled out of the area, ISIS took the area over again). While he’s a very honest dude and has a broad understanding of what he and other Team guys and Iraqis went through, he doesn’t know anything about 9/11 or who runs the government/media or anything about Israeli war crimes, etc. So truthers could learn off what he has to say and he could learn off of what truthers have to say.

Truthers tend to be really, really bad in certain areas though, no doubt, and this includes Muslims. Rarely have I ever heard Muslims acknowledging Muslim slavery, racism, or any other of their misdeeds. They tend to also be quite, to very anti-white. They play right along as ‘victim’ groups and many times either act like they’re ‘superior’ or think they’re ‘superior’, which is one of the many reasons we’ll never really get along if we have to live amongst each other. Certain people that have gotten significant amounts of visibility in the truth movement like Ken O’Keefe or Max Igan or David Icke, to name a few, have major blind spots in certain areas. If I listen to Ken talk about anything in regards to race dynamics or male/female dynamics, I think to myself, holy shit this dude is bad lol; he’s totally anti-white and is a strong white-knight and animal right’s activist while he’s at it. (And on animals, part of transhumanism is the idea that animals are of the same value, or even more valuable than humans. Not do animal rights activists tend to take their activism way too far, when there are certain groups of humans that could be using that time and effort, but I mean, there are plenty of areas in the world where certain species have been over-reproducing to such high degrees that they’re destroying the ecosystems in which they live in. Some of these animals I can think of are jellyfish, squirrels, deer, and hogs. Some of these staunch animal rights activists will say things like, ‘Don’t ever kill any of those animals though; it’s ‘immoral’ for a human to do it, lol). Ken is definitely a ‘lefty-do-gooder’ in these areas and I’ve had a bunch of his own friends block me because they apparently get a lot of their ideas off him, lol. Anyway, this is well worth the listen:

The main reason I think you still find 9/11 and false-flags important is because you’re a Muslim. If you weren’t a Muslim, I doubt you’d have so much interest in “exposing” these things that principally affect your religious brethren. It ultimately is your Muslim identity and in-group affinity for other Muslims in the Middle East that draws you to those subjects.

For the most part, only Muslims and leftists still care about 9/11 because they have a political stake in the battles going on in the mid-east. There may be a few weird “rightists” that still talk about it, but they do so mainly to emphasize Jewish involvement, not really because they care what’s afflicting Arabs/Muslims overseas.

If you acknowledge that Muslims are doing some real terrorism in certain places, then I don’t see what you’re trying to accomplish by obsessing on 9/11. If the terror today is mostly real, then “proving” 9/11 was not Muslims is a waste of time since they are clearly engaged in some of the most heinous atrocities known to mankind on a regular basis. If anything, all 9/11 proves is that Muslim extremists were poorly organized and weak in 2001, so Jews and their lackeys had to fabricate a plot to pin on them. But that doesn’t mean these Islamists aren’t actually as dangerous as the original propaganda sold them as. As we can see with the activities of Isis, Boko Haram, etc., Islamists are as bad as their harshest critics have been saying all along.