On this first martinezperspective.net livestream, Charlemagne and I break down the folly of Duginism and Russia cucking in the alt-right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jpIDzwl5_4
Martinez & Charlemagne | The Folly of Duginism & Russia Cucking
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OK Trevor Labon… I mean Charlemagne, lol (kidding), but yes, Sandy Hook was a total hoax replete with crisis actors. Doesn’t Charlemagne know that there has been an incessant push for gun control and to ban guns in the US, led by many Jews like Dianne Feinstein, Michael Bloomberg, etc? Jesus man. Yes, it was a hoax like so many other false flags. This isn’t about ‘demoralization of the West’ by trying to falsely claim that everything incident in the MSM is a false flag (although there are many) but about gun control and falsely accusing white males of being ignorant clowns who cause all this gun violence when they don’t. Anyone can go to any black hood if they wanna see gun violence out of control. Goddamn man! The gun control agenda in the US has been going on for decades though and it has never stopped. They’ve also been quite successful in getting many kinds of guns banned, not to mention in places like California. Far more gun laws today than there were in the 60s, and people even move to different states to get out of other states that are really tough on guns.
Charlemagne doesn’t know the ‘Neanderthal Man’ was an evolutionary hoax or what?
The gun grabbers can do all that without the shootings actually being a hoax.
These MSM shootings are why we have countless lemmings like Doug Polk speaking to thousands of people, talking about the “need” for gun control. It’s sick how badly brainwashed so many people are when it comes to the topic. They think mass shootings and gun violence happen way more in white areas, among white males, than they actually do. Pro-blacks love seeing this shit in the MSM because it confirms in their minds how “evil” the white male demon is, especially when the MSM turns a blind-eye to all the shootings in black neighborhoods. And these lemmings think that if a robber breaks in that the cops are actually gonna show up in time to defend these people n stuff, and/or they’re not gonna have any problems calling the cops, lol.
There have been many pockets of resistance to the anti-gun agenda, although they’ve been fighting a losing battle. There’d be far more resistance if these folks knew these MSM shootings were hoaxes and/or government sponsored.
For example, it’s really f’d up how so much of the information on Sandy Hook that existed on YT has been removed. Much time and effort has been put into altering the information on the event, including the altering of the FBI homicide stats for 2012 which originally showed no homicides for Newtown, but were changed to later show there were. As usual, they were also conducting drills in the area before the shooting.
In this clip, for instance, what is up with the MSM cutting out the part just before where he was laughing before speaking, if they’re not trying to influence the masses and are not actually influencing the masses? (Rhetorical questions):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4rwdriJpkc
Countless gun-control advocates use all these cases in the MSM as “proof” of the need for gun control; it’s far beyond being a total joke.
Since I refuse to interact with the vast majority of blacks anymore, unless we’re gonna debate or argue in front of a large number of people or something, I’ve cut myself off from seeing their incredibly stupid, racist fucking comments. Instead of commenting on politics, they should be in Africa or something, spear-chucking and building mud huts… a couple of their favorite past-times.
Even if you pointed out that Daniel Cormier eye-gouged Stipe Miocic in the recent UFC 226 over the weekend (even though I like both dudes), the fuck-ups will come by talking about how “white racists” always have to be “complaining” lol, and how the indignant white reaction over Stipe losing to a black dude was going to make whites carry out more school shootings…
So, in their words, we’ve got a “white run media”, but then somehow the MSM likes to show these white mass shooters and serial killers, etc., but downplay and totally cover up black mass shooters and serial killers, (including of course serial killers from every other racial group as well as women), etc.
Walking around at a white school or in a white theater or down the street in a white neighborhood is sooooo “dangerous” it’s incredible. The chances of you getting shot and killed in any black school, black theater, or black neighborhood are faaaar greater than in any white one. Let’s all thank da “white run media” for telling us though, and for playing a substantial role in igniting so much racial animosity in these douche bag blacks and wrongly inflicting whites with such a large guilt complex.
Just listened to the podcasts, a note on Varg Vikernes, he’s given up a political way out but his approach does make sense, stop feeding the monster (banks) that cause immigration, degeneracy, etc in the first place. He has 6 children and more on the way, something that many white nationalists don’t do in the US.
Apart from the haircuts and bodybuilding which is promoted in alt-right circles, making white families must be added too.
Here the guy from the red elephants is doing that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiBB0fdiNHY
On the subject of Spain, Brandon you forgot Democracia Nacional http://democracianacional.org/dn/
Greetings,
Varg Vikerness stopped thinking (and writing good music) about the same time he murdered that psychotic maniac (euronymous) 1993. He spent years in prison, posing as naaazi with the haircuts etc, or other such teenage-style bullshit. Later, he folded on naaaazzism.
Some of his opinions make sense. But the way he delivers is kind of ironic hehehe bullshit. I know everything, and hehehe I will shhaare it, to help you poor Knownothings… He is an absolute sissy (fag, but I have overused that word 😛 ) on Slavs. I can find (or you can look for it yourself) writtings where he openly called them subhuman in the 90s. Now he seems to like them all of a sudden. He also said that in Greece you can’t find a working toilet (implying what you think he was implying), and that’s a quote of him, again in the 90s or early 00s. I guess now he changed on that too? Maybe he likes Greeks now because we are white?
Fuck outta here fakers…
http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/2004_interview_bg.shtml
Vikerness quote: “I have no intent to insult South Europeans, but take a look at what race mixing has done to them! If it hadn’t been for race mixing (and Christianity) Greece for instance would still be producing brilliant philosophers and a beautiful culture. What is left of that today? You even have to look hard to find an operational toilet when you’re down there. There is so much crime down there any normal Scandinavian would fall off his chair in amazement had somebody told him just how bad it is. And we all know what a “blessing” the Turkish heritage has left to the rest of the Balkans too. I wouldn’t exactly call it the most harmonious area in the world. So first of all we would need a “European only” Scandinavia. European blood and European (i.e. pagan) religion. When that had been done we wouldn’t have that many other problems to solve really… the rest would have come natural. ”
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1) I can go out of my home at 4:30am and walk ANYWHERE I want. Greece is not Sudan. And I am in a city. In the small villages they don’t even have cops. He is a liar, or completely ignorant. But I don’t like it when ignoramuses go blahblahblah without even knowing what they are talking about. Hits on my nerves…
2) Well let’s look at Greece and then let’s look at his mighty viking warrior nearby Sweden (he is norwegian). Sorry, I have to take a break and laugh it out with fellow Southern Europeans…… Lol Vikerness.
These clowns are obsessed with southern europe, either trying to steal its history or ignore the inconvenient parts like the renaissance. Gotta wonder why Varg is making music using an instrument that developed entirely out of sth europe by mixed race bastards like Stradivari. Didn’t the vikings have some horns or drums he could use instead.
I was (and still am) an enormous fan of Black Metal (which is what he used to play before prison). I was never a huge fan of Death Metal, but Black was my cup of tea. However: Yes!! Why did he (and has returned to) use the guitar? When he was in prison I am 95% sure the moron made a statement about guitar being a negro instrument etc.
HHAHAHAHA!! Because the moron at that time only had a lousy synthesizer because he was doing time in prison…. A MA ZING LY, he folded on that TOO!! And after he got out of prison he returned to using the guitar.
Aside from all that obvious crap, I am not sure he is such a sssuuuurrrvvviiivalist strong mmmmale as he poses… He probably found a (french i think) pussy, and keeps knocking her up like a geo-driller. Wow…. Fantastic achievement! More dysfunctional liars awaiting in the next generation….
We whites need children. But children produced from our best people. It’s called mild eugenics… 😉
I made a couple longer comments on this and the Nika Banana articles and they haven’t been approved yet as there seems to be some kind of automatic moderation on this site for long/er comments, but that chump Varg really pisses me off and I’ll try to chunk my comment in different sections over here. Let’s see if this works (this is/was part of my comment):
Phil, we’ve covered this numerous times over here already man: the vast, vast majority of the problem with the low white birth rates in the West isn’t at the hands of the men, but the women; especially in the US. Just because many more men in the past 10 years have gone MGTOW and opted out of having their own children to raise (like me), doesn’t mean this isn’t the fault of women and misandric, gynocentric society. For one, ANY female can get laid in the West. Yes, even fewhales and she-beasts, and we’re talking by even average or better than average men. How many clubs and bars have you been out to in the last ten years? These broads get no shortage of attention from endless white knights and manginas, no matter how disgusting they are. For two, remember how many methods of birth control a female has at her disposal: many kinds. For three, the largest number of inter-racial births (in the mid-30s percentile range) in the US are half-black and half-white? The second being half-Asian and half-white (in the low-20s percentile range). Of course far, far more white women bang black dudes than white dudes bang black chicks. This is obviously another clue as to who decides how many and what babies are being made. For four, lesbian “relationships” are least likely of all three types of romantic relationshits to work out. When Ameriskanks do get pregnant and their “relationships” don’t work out (as they initiate around 75% of divorces), they can and do get many forms of financial help from the state and just from dummy men in general. FEMALES are the ones who decide whether they get pregnant or not; not dudes. It’s very daft to be telling dudes about the low birth rates when it should be being told to women. Women are far more career, edumuhcation, cock carousel riding, cougar-oriented broads today than they were a century ago.
But yeah, that dude Varg is a fucking clown. Dude talks shit about MGTOW too. He’s an old, out-of-shape, loud mouth, struggling-IQ buffoon whose wife or whatever he dates is probably some ugly schlub of a broad. Many of these white knights fools think “pussy is pussy” and any dumb, ugly, nasty, fat broad would/should do. Fuck all that.
Sounds like I’m bragging but I laugh my ass off at these clowns like Varg giving men “advice” on dating and other happy horseshit. Man ever since puberty I’ve always been able to get swoll and shredded very quickly. I wasn’t a very charismatic dude most of the time and was quite introverted around people I didn’t know. I wasn’t the type to initiate conversations with many females and I also had some really bad brainwashing in certain ways like many of us have had. But for me, it has always been about looks and even when my social skills were very lacking, I could still pull my share of 9+s. I don’t call any female a 10, but every so often you see a chick who really is a hot broad that can give you insta-wood. Now that I don’t have any moral issues with banging women who are married, have boyfriends, or just one-night-stands, being the MGTOW that I am, I can really see myself impregnating 30 or more women in the next ten years. I’ve also gotten to a point where I’m very efficient in the gym and can do some amazing things only working out for an hour and a half a day. To hear fools like Varg telling people like me WTF I should be doing though is comedy of the extreme order, lol.
I remember you saying that being MGTOW doesn’t mean not having kids, but if you impregnate 30 women or more women and let random cucks bring up your children, how is that good?
The greatest danger the West (I’d say the whole world) today faces is white genocide, the changing demographics.
And in order to fix that, we must strengthen the family, restore the family then restore the nation.
If you go full Daily Stormer and smear women (Half of our population) as whores, stuck-up hypergamous bitches, how will that attract women to the cause? Whites NEED white women.
And yes women today are degenerate but so are the men. Both are to blame here
Phil, you’re killin’ me man lol. I already answered much of that but it was in another comment over here that was kind of long and didn’t make it past what seems to be this particular sites automatic automation processing system. So I’ll try to re-explain in smaller comments below and hope they make it through…
How is it good to let random cucks bring up 30 (or more) of my children? My question is how is it bad? There’s no way in hell I could ever bring that many up. Families are not for everybody and we all don’t have the same personalities and desires. Petulance (whether from children or women) these days bothers me more than it ever has. In years prior, some of the things I would have dismissed as kind of ‘cute’ or kind of bearable I find to be flat-out unbearable these days. I have next to zero tolerance and very little patience for BS and no desire to be tied down. The vast majority of men have more than me in all these areas and I don’t see it ever changing.
The only thing that *could* suck is that I don’t leave a family legacy I and others related to me can point to as being my own. But I really don’t value a family legacy like I value leaving a legacy of leaving the world a better place and contributing to helping those whom are fighting injustices arbitrarily aimed at them. If I ever feel as though I must have a son or something, I can hire a surrogate mother, but I doubt I’ll ever feel the need or that it’s ever going to be very important to me at all.
Phil, you’re talking like a white knight and your particular statements aren’t new or things I’ve “never thought of” or been asked before… they’re very old.
When it comes to “relationships”, telling men that they should clean up their act when it comes to the opposite sex is like telling whites they need to clean up their act when it comes to blacks. You should be spending all your time telling that shit to women (and blacks) because they’re the ones fucking shit up here as collectives.
You realize any female can get laid in the West, right? Even with average or better than average dudes… it’s sad. These same females can get their picks of these same dudes for relationships too. Noooot the same for men. The average dude who wants a relationship has a much harder time getting any random female to be his girlfriend than she does getting him to be her boyfriend (including in marriage). You realize lesbian relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to work out, right? Must be the fault of “men”, right? Of course not. The bitches can’t even tolerate themselves.
Phil, you’re talking like a white knight and your particular statements aren’t new or things I’ve “never thought of” or been asked before… they’re very old.
When it comes to “relationships”, telling men that they should clean up their act when it comes to the opposite sex is like telling whites they need to clean up their act when it comes to blacks. You should be spending all your time telling that shit to women (and blacks) because they’re the ones fucking shit up here as collectives.
You realize any female can get laid in the West, right? Even with average or better than average dudes… it’s sad. These same females can get their picks of these same dudes for relationships too. Noooot the same for men. The average dude who wants a relationship has a much harder time getting any random female to be his girlfriend than she does getting him to be her boyfriend (including in marriage). You realize lesbian relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to work out, right? Must be the fault of “men”, right? Of course not. The bitches can’t even tolerate themselves.
You know feminism was also a contributing factor in the fall of Rome, right? Feminism is like a cog in the wheel that brings societies down and it’s a much more serious problem than you’re giving it credit for. Toxic, out-of-control bitches are a serious problem too.
The Daily Stormer crowd at stupid, including on the topic of feminism. The problem isn’t white women, but women of all races these days, and given the additions of social media like instagram, women who didn’t act Americanized (or not as Americanized as they did before) have been making significant strides in filling these gaps.
You realize any female can get laid in the West, right? Even with average or better than average dudes… it’s sad. These same females can get their picks of these same dudes for relationships too. Noooot the same for men. The average dude who wants a relationship has a much harder time getting any random female to be his girlfriend than she does getting him to be her boyfriend (including in marriage). You realize lesbian relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to work out, right? Must be the fault of “men”, right? Of course not. The bitches can’t even tolerate themselves.
You know feminism was also a contributing factor in the fall of Rome, right? Feminism is like a cog in the wheel that brings societies down and it’s a much more serious problem than you’re giving it credit for. Toxic, out-of-control bitches are a serious problem too.
The Daily Stormer crowd are stupid, including on the topic of feminism. The problem isn’t white women, but women of all races these days, and given the additions of social media like instagram, women who didn’t act Americanized (or not as Americanized as they did before) have been making significant strides in filling these gaps.
You should know that any female can get laid in the West. Even with average or better than average dudes… it’s very sad. These same females can get their picks of these same dudes for relationships too. Noooot the same for men. The average dude who wants a relationship has a much harder time getting any random female to be his girlfriend than she does getting him to be her boyfriend (including in marriage). You realize lesbian relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to work out, right? Must be the fault of “men”, right? Of course not. The bitches can’t even tolerate themselves, yet dudes are supposed to tolerate them.
White knights act like any female can’t get laid in the West and like these women are soooo “objectified”. It’s a total joke. ANY gotdamned female can get laid in the West, and she can also find a serious relationship with even average and at times even above average dudes. The average don’t can not do the same…
The average dude who wants a relationship has a much harder time getting any random female to be his girlfriend than she does getting him to be her boyfriend (including in marriage). You realize lesbian relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to work out, right? Must be the fault of “men”, right? Of course not. The broads can’t even tolerate themselves.
I don’t know what’s so hard about this particular comment to get to go through but I keep trying lol…
The average dude who wants a relationship has a much harder time getting any random female to be his girlfriend than she does getting him to be her boyfriend (including in marriage).
Lesbian relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to succeed. Must be the fault of “men”, right? Of course not. The broads can’t even tolerate themselves.
Looking at Phil’s comment here I am just trying to hold myself and not say some outlandish things that I always had in my mind about women in western (white) society…
…But I will not hold, it’s fun to share thoughts! So let’s go: This is the Fox solution to the problem. Let’s go engineering baby!!
First, obviously there is a problem (Women in Western Society). Someone who doesn’t agree should just go play pacman. There are better things to do for you dummies.
Identification of the Problem:
There seems to be an inflation in the EGO of western women, there also seems to be an inflation of the PERECEIVED VALUE of the female from society at large. We got two inflated variables A) EGO, B) VALUE of PUSSY. Both variables are being inflated and are causing problems. If someone doesn’t agree should go watch some movie.
Consequences of, and gravity of the problem:
White men are driven towards INCEL. A smell of intention (from someone) exists here, because they are pushing INCEL mania with all the stage fake INCEL shooting attacks (hey incels! go crazy!). In any case, men are driven towards fuckin SUICIDE to be completely truthful and frank. Women are pushed (by ???) to be more openly, outright hypergamous than they already were before mid-20th-cent. ‘Sex and the City’ and ‘Friends’ were some examples of the probably deliberate propaganda to degrade males and inflate women. Consequences? Males were, are, and always WILL BE the driving force of culture and civilization. By trying to disgrace us and inflate the value of the vagina, they are actualy destroying the main force behind actually EVERYTHING: MEN.
Engineering a solution:
1) Control mainstream media and government (impossible step)
2) Stop promoting education to women. If needed push promoting non-education for women.
3) Show examples of virility, male pride. Those damn whiskey commercials, with all the men having fun. Yeah good! Do such shit (without promoting alcohol). Promote male bonding. Promote applied, ample philosophy for males (no metaphors, no shit). Promote understanding, conversation, and brotherhood in males.
4) Give a fuckin P U R P O S E to males. Most males long for distance, for exploration, for the unlimited. Promote martial arts but not muh-muscles faggotry. Promote athleticism, mounteneering, exploration.
Answer to possible questions:
1) Fox, why not educate women, But educate them to be respectful to males?
-Allright, that’s a reasonable thought on how to deflate the inflated variables. But too much time lost. Time is valuable. And the hypothesis for the end result is questionable. Who and how can do it? Furthermore, women are not as smart as men (Richard Lynn has done a research for you non-believers) and wasting resources for the 1 out of a GAZILLION who would be as a great mind as a man is a craziness. No education for women.
2) Fox you hate women?
-What’s women? The platonic idea of the woman? No. But most of the contemporary females? Yes I do. Because the system promotes (inflates) them and the not only ride the horse, but the pose and bullshit me. They break something from my personal code of honor, the do HYBRIS because of their V A N I T Y. I hate their vanity. When someone promotes/inflates ME FOX. I say THANK YOU SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. I don’t ride the horse and dive in megalomania because of VANITY like the 99,9% of the fuckin women do for the last couple of decades.
3) What about families Fox?
-I give it to them! The marxsit chosens did it. They scored a goal. It’s just a fuckin mad-max wasteland now. They fucked our social structure. I am at a loss at how we should raise the kids of the next generation (though I have some thoughts of my own). But I will NEVER accept the fairy tale that being a TRAD (with all it entails) is how a man should live. No, men… Improvise… Use your imagination. Life is beautiful, but only when you are free of coercion. I am a proud WHITE MAN. I am as MAN as I am WHITE and the reverse. No, sir. I will not bow down and be the slave. I won’t push myself to accept female hybris, vanity and bullshit. We have to conversate (like here) and find a solution about how to fix our social structure. Old style AMREN famylist bullshit is redundant. The 3 waves of feminism ended the magic of the woman. No more “romanticism”. No more metaphors and stories of loving couples dying together. We have to accept our CURRENT situation. Women are unlikable at this point. Reality is what it is.
Epilogue:
Unfortunately we cannot fix the problem of the two inflations (pussy and ego) currently, because we don’t control our media in our countries. Neither we control our governments. However…. we have so much genetic garbage in our system (fuckin useless morons) that I am not sure we could even do it if we (white identitarians) controlled media and government tomorrow. But I don’t want to be very pessimistic here.
Da bitchez back in da kitchen 😉
The average dude who wants a relationship has a much harder time getting any random female to be his girlfriend than she does getting him to be her boyfriend (including in marriage).
Lesbian relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to succeed. The broads can’t even tolerate themselves, yet white knights act like dudes are supposed to unconditionally tolerate them… that’s called stupidity and applying double standards to certain people while they apply special treatment to others.
Female/female relationships are the least likely of the 3 romantic relationships to succeed. Women can’t even tolerate themselves, yet dudes are supposed to tolerate them.
The least likely of all relationships to be successful are lesbian relationships.
^The broads can’t even tolerate themselves, yet white knights act like you’re supposed to tolerate the hoes. Fuck that.
You know what really fires me up about all the white knights, manginas, and fembots in the “alt-right” like our Red Ice followers, Scott Robertses, Angelo John Gages, Nathan Damigos, etc., etc., is countless men in “relationships”, whether BF/GF or married, are getting the total screws at the hands of the state, Westernized society, and last but not least: the women, and not a word mentioned of it out of these clowns. All the ways men are getting screwed as a collective just goes on and on and on, but they turn a blind-eye to it all and it’s really, really, REALLY fucked up. Despicable. You really need to start looking into it, Phil, because I know you haven’t.
Fox, I was just listening to Roosh’s recent livestream (#14) and the dude makes you wonder sometimes if his IQ is much at all over a hundred, lol. Not that he doesn’t have good things to say here and there, but he’s just so far off on some of the things he says.
One thing he said was that MGTOW is a ‘psy-op’ and that it’s targeted at white and Asian men because he doesn’t see black men in it, for example, lol. Roosh was never a staunch men’s rights activist and hasn’t hardly been in the community, including that of MGTOW. Of course there are plenty black men’s rights activists damnit, lol, and I’ve known and interacted with many in my time. Look at black American women… those broads will seriously make you want to be an MRA, lol. Roosh works with very limited sources and doesn’t seek people out. I actively seek people out to learn about their perspectives and experiences and I don’t understand why people don’t… they’re missing out on large chunks of the picture. Yeees, there are many black men’s rights activists and Tommy Sotomayor is a popular one. There are also many black MGTOWs and those of every other race, but Roosh doesn’t know this shit because he lives in his own world. I’d just say that when it comes to having to do dedicated research and connecting dots or coming up with new ideas and information, they’re just not good at it all as a whole and so there weren’t many blacks per capita who could debate men’s issues very deeply. He has done a lot of traveling, but if you got into a discussion or debate with Roosh about men’s rights, he couldn’t tell you much about it because he doesn’t know much about it. MGTOW ‘psy-op’, lol… no wonder Lana Lokteff has liked so many things Roosh has had to say, lol… fukin Roosh is very purple-pilled (even blue-pilled in certain ways) and they’re both kinda slow and even dumb, lol. Roosh is a very likable dude, just that his advice is far from great in so many ways, lol.
That’s a logical error by Roosh. EErrrrr (another such probable bullshit thought): Heavy Metal is a psyop targeted at Whites and Latinos, because I don’t see many blacks, arabs and (East)Indians inside. Lol…. Different races just have different associations, thinking, groups, tendencies etc… Psy-ops DEFINITELY exist, and I will be the first one to tell everyone that. But… Yeah… Kind of simplistic shit by Roosh there.
Agreed. I think that he is a dude that had SO MUCH invested at PUA stuff, that sees his hair go grey (like most of us when we were early-mid-or-late (like him) 30s) and other sings of aging, and I guess he is kind of losing the plot. He is having a PRIORITIES crisis (which is what I personally think the popularly called “male mid life crisis” REALLY is).
PUA pua pua…… What is PUA man? PUA is nothing. It is a generic, maybe even unnecessary term to describe something that every red pilled man does in his life to a small (or medium, or HUGE) degree if he is ABLE to do it. I am not a PUA in the same way Lionel Messi is not a GOAL-er. These are redundant, kind of meme-styled concepts that are interchangable with anything like this: (PUA = I like to fuck different women an am successful at it).
MGTOW, on the other hand, has some, at least, definitive kind of meaning. Vague… sure! But a more substantial concept that PUA, Progressivism, Conservatism, Spiritualism etc etc. These are generic-isms. In the end there is some kind of process (that interesting appears many times in our social reality) which, let’s say, you start from being an IMPROVISER, then you identify your way of life with a concept (PUA) and then you BECOME the concept (which is VERY VERY generic or vague) and you become what I call a specialista on that concept, and in the end things change and the questionable concept (PUA) defines your way of life, not the other way around as it was before you came to be familiar with the concept. That’s my opinon on what’s happening to Roosh (or similar people).
Personally I am a rationalist/realist. I wouldn’t call myself exactly MGTOW because I fear that it will just lead my life. But I will pretty much say I “believe” these things:
A) Women are mostly incapable morons.
B) Women are WAY, WAY, way, way more “Ntais” (Greek for bully/brash/impudent/disrespectful) than what they should be according to their social value (breeders). And to take it to the extreme (lol) I think that they are even more “Ntais” than even MEN at that point. Men were always more assertive than women (by far). Chosen people machinations and White Male idiocy (sorry ppl, but I will criticze even ourselves, don’t give a shit if i offend) has let this situation become actually turned on it’s head. The possible complication because of all these is that most men actually FEAR women, and over-respect them because they know that WOMEN have the helms at this point…
There is no need to identify even with MGTOW. At the present situation, my (theoretical) advice to any younger (than me) man would be this.
1) Lie to women. Tell them what they want to hear! Let this category (sex/relationshits) become the only category where you allow yourself to be a chosen person (bullshit, lies, fraud, “cheat-codes”). Because the women are ALREADY doing it themselves! Especially the cheat codes part (boobs,ass,micro-flirting and then folding just to get attention woman style). So since they (women) are almost exclusively using karate kicks under the belt. You should use bullshit and our cheat codes too. Has to be a level playing field ppl.
2) Never ever, EVER in all ETERNITY should you consider a woman (ESPECIALLY your “gf” as they call it) as your partrner/friend. If you do that, then you are asking for your own fate. Which is to be lied to, to face fraud, to get bullshited every day, and of course to be abandoned when they find something, hypergamously speaking, better.
I (Fox) am not exactly an MGTOW. I am just a FQ (female question) realist. Just like the FQ sissy/surrealist (Jared Taylor) calls himself a Race Realist. 😉
P.S. Suggestion to the website: It would be nice if there was some kind of -preview post- function. And also (to repeat Dorset Patriot’s smart idea) we should use the -block quote- line for “quotes” (like i used to quote Dana above) but it would be even better if there was a function that does it with a press of a -quote- button. Cheers!
A small correction to avoid confusion. I will say I AM MGTOW personally (especially to people that don’t know me very well). But… I am not letting any concept define my life… That’s just me.
MGTOW is still a bit vague as I said. The best description for what I want myself and white men to be is REALISTS on the WQ/FQ. MGTOW is just an approximation of that.
Example of overMGTOWing and fixating that can lead to bullshit situations: Whoa! I am MGTOW and I follow my “own way”. Hey pussies! Come to daddy! I am a strong decisive man… … ….no answer….
Lol…. Women need FRAUD (including posing as what they want to hear/see). They ASK for it because they have unlimited (literally unlimited, I am not speaking metaphorically) expectations from their ….bfs… or partners. This is the way to fuck. To lie to them and to be an “asshole”. To behave like a chosen person in the sex battlefield. That’s the way to get laid (more than normal) and I encourage every MGTOW or nonMGTOW man to do this, because wether we like it or not, pussy experience is a vital thing in the world we live in. With a small dosage of humour ( 😛 ) I will say that we need to fuck them to get to know them. NO TO INCEL MENTALITY!
I apologize to the 3 women out of 1924818523950345428573452934 who might be offended by what I say because they have good characters. But hey females…. AS A GROUP you are asking for it.. Sorry pussies…
When it comes to specialistas, you’re really meaning that these people are myopic and/or lacking in talent.
You know there are people who specialize in certain fields but they suck at them anyway. There are people who have put in countless hours at the chess tables and poker tables over a 10-year period and you could say they specialize in these fields as their hobbies, but they still suck at them. There are other specialists who do get good or very good at what they’re specializing in, but they don’t know shit about anything else. Then there are people who are a much rarer breed who specialize in more than one, or even many things.
I mentioned the Stipe Miocic and Daniel Cormier UFC fight that happened not long ago. They’re both specialists in wrestling and boxing. Cormier was an olympic gold medalist in wrestling and so he’s extremely specialized in that field and identifies first and foremost as a wrestler, but he’s also very good at many other things like avoiding submissions, slipping punches, etc., and is why he’s a top heavyweight and middleweight fighter. Stipe was not a gold medalist in wrestling, but he’s a very good wrestler who is also a great boxer. I don’t think Stipe has put in nearly the time as Cormier in wrestling and so he probably identifies as being both a wrestler and boxer and not necessarily one of the other like Cormier.
Let’s say we take a group of people who want to be MMA fighters and give them a month of training in all the following disciplines: wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, sambo, judo, karate, and BJJ. All fighters have had equal training in these fields, but then we introduce another fighter into the equation, but he was given four years of prior wrestling training and specialized in that field. Who would be the favorite to win if they were to all fight each other? The dude who specialized in wrestling would obviously be the favorite to win in that scenario.
It’s advantageous to have intricate knowledge of something compared to having little or none, but it’s even more advantageous to have intricate knowledge of many, many things.
Fox, yeah the term MGTOW is vague as there are many branches of MGTOW and the lifestyle of one MGTOW can vary greatly from the lifestyle of another MGTOW.
What I do like about the term though is it’s a quick way of saying the dude is aware of two things:
1. The laws and society in general are stacked against him in Westernized society.
2. Red-pilled views of female nature.
Although the term is vague, when I see someone who is MGTOW, I instantly know we’re already close to being on the same pages on these topics compared to the average non-MGTOW. Personally, MGTOW-polyamorous-player is a much more accurate way of defining myself.
Fox, you know me brotha, I co-sign the shit out of those two lol. Lying to women… yes indeed; anyone who thinks women aren’t full of shit and actually have “honor” when it comes to “relationships” with males are badly brainwashed and/or deluded. Even if a female is your “friend”, it’s generally a situation where she gets much more out of the friendship than you do. There are only a few situations where having female friends can be a benefit to the dude, and those are the only times I consider them, lol. All the rest I keep very platonic if at all. 🙂
Speaking of black MGTOWs, all Roosh had to fukin do was enter MGTOW into YouTube and search through some of the countless MGTOW vids on there and he’d realize plenty of black dudes are involved in the movement. I even saw Elliot Hulse endorsing it last month. Elliott is a mulatto though, I believe, and I think he’s still married, but he has good things to say about it and the movement is growing exponentially as it should. I think even the Hodge Twins endorse MGTOW and they’re both divorced lol, although I’m not completely for sure. Elliot’s vid:
Phil, we’ve covered this numerous times over here already man: the vast, vast majority of the problem with the low white birth rates in the West isn’t at the hands of the men, but the women; especially in the US. Just because many more men in the past 10 years have gone MGTOW and opted out of having their own children to raise (like me), doesn’t mean this isn’t the fault of women and misandric, gynocentric society. For one, ANY female can get laid in the West. Yes, even fewhales and she-beasts, and we’re talking by even average or better than average men. How many clubs and bars have you been out to in the last ten years? These broads get no shortage of attention from endless white knights and manginas, no matter how disgusting they are. For two, remember how many methods of birth control a female has at her disposal: many kinds. For three, the largest number of inter-racial births (in the mid-30s percentile range) in the US are half-black and half-white? The second being half-Asian and half-white (in the low-20s percentile range). Of course far, far more white women bang black dudes than white dudes bang black chicks. This is obviously another clue as to who decides how many and what babies are being made. For four, lesbian “relationships” are least likely of all three types of romantic relationshits to work out. When Ameriskanks do get pregnant and their “relationships” don’t work out (as they initiate around 75% of divorces), they can and do get many forms of financial help from the state and just from dummy men in general. FEMALES are the ones who decide whether they get pregnant or not; not dudes. It’s very daft to be telling dudes about the low birth rates when it should be being told to women. Women are far more career, edumuhcation, cock carousel riding, cougar-oriented broads today than they were a century ago.
Vikernes is an out-of-shape, old, loud-mouthed, and I would imagine – struggling-IQ clown yammering on about shit that is way over his head. I think he recommended raising girls out in the woods from the age of about 12 on (sounds kinda pedophilic). He says stop supporting banks…. I mean that is some of the most obvious shit on the planet… I “nevuh” woulda thunk uh dat n sheeeit, lol. And I can’t stand stupid ass pagans in the vast majority of cases. I guess only Greece turned largely Christian but not Scandinavia or something and it was Greece’s “downfall”, lmao. He’s a fucking buffoon in need of a goddamned lobotomy. Can’t believe you even give the dude any credence.
Being the “beta male” that I am (as these moronic Red Ice followers would call me, including our dummy Lana Lokteffs), I’m probably going to impregnate around a hundred women in the next ten years. Glad I needed to “get married” or get into a “relationship” to do it (just JOKING lol). Married broads are easy these days, BTW, and these beta males who marry and support these hoes don’t make these women’s panties wet, so they look for guys like me on the side. No joke.
@ Dana
Wanna get some “inside” information from a metalhead (me) about that fucker (Varg)? Ho ho ho… Let’s start.
There was a band. The most unbelievably satanic band ever in the fuckin world: ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_(band) ). The “thinking head” behind that band was a litteral schizophrenic called euronymous ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euronymous ) a norwegian of probably Sami (slight asiatic features) heritage who was on guitars. If you research Euronymous Mayhem Quotes (google that) you will find pretty amazingly openly satanic comments. That guy surpassed any Dugin by MILES in craziness/evilness. However, brilliance and madness sometimes go together (I think this was a Dorset Patriot comment), and the motherfucker was writting unbelievably angry music ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqfR8Z_TQtM 1993) but also was VERY innovative for that time. Now Varg was playin the bass in that 1993 record (Mayhem – De mysteriis dom Sathanas). Varg had his own, one man band ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzum ) which had it’s good moments (also black metal like Mayhem) but much more mundane, much less innovative for the time.
Euronymous was a little angry satanist/poseur. But he was the de facto leader of Mayhem because of his talent. And Mayhem was a very definitive band for the style of Black Metal circa early 90’s. He became the de facto leader of all early black Metal. The problems started when Euronymous started becoming literally uncontrollable. The man was crazy allright……. He was planning to torture-murder Varg. And Varg killed him under not very clear circumstances. Endless stuff can be found on the internet about that infamous Black Metal murder.
When that dummy (Varg) went to prison. He was probably very bored. And he didn’t have a guitar. He only had access to a ridiculous, almost midi-like-sounding synthesizer. So he found an ad-hoc solution to that by turning total “pagan”. Oh now he wrote pure pagan melodic (ridiculously sounding) shit. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz8KsxGnznQ )
He called the guitar a negro instrument (I am not debating here if it really IS or NOT) BECAUSE he didn’t have access to it in prison. So ok, he is released 2009. And what does he do? He returns to using the “negro” instrument ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ2DZORiuQo 2010), the fuckin guitar. I mean…. come on man….
For any Christian (not refering to you Dana) that thinks Varg is some kind of normal european nationalist figure I can only send you some links ppl:
https://news.avclub.com/watch-the-most-adorable-film-ever-about-a-homicidal-ra-1798233743
http://www.burzum.com/burzum/library/articles/images/vargold.jpg (notice the goat on the t-shirt, that’s a Venom t-shirt, Venom was a satanist Blackish Heavy Metal British band)
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cf02121608c05942c3ab15bdf56037b6-c (here is varg with his “buddy” euronymous, of course wearing the goat on the t-shirt)
Not to be misunderstood: I like old Mayhem musically (I like musically expressed anger). But I just want to expose Varg for what he was (and still is). He is NOT a normal white red-pilled guy. Never was. Never will be. A lot of occultism and shit. Also a lot of sissy backflipping and mental gymnastics (negro guitar) Just so you know ppl.
About what he said about Greece. I apologize but he DOES offend me as a Southern European. Fuck you Varg. No, we got working toilets here. But we are also not as faggotistic as your pseudoviking types and your RIDICULOUS SCANDINAVIAN RACE TRAITOR WOMEN. We will throw you IN the working toilet and make you eat our shit. Fucker…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXu8M6q6v84 Burzum (varg) – Jesu Dod / Jesus’ Tod
Hey, christians! Guess what the title of the song means! The winner gets a Burzum disc as a prize…
Varg Vikernes: pseudopaganosatanic fake white identitarian mangina life-time poseur…
Thanks for the inside info, Fox. Not that I’ll ever be interacting with the dude, but he sure is an arrogant fuckhead isn’t he? I’d like to slap the dude upside the head on the uneventful chance we ever met. Dude is fukin stupid, but clowns will listen to him anyway.
Varg Vikernes is an excellent source for ancient European Paganism and mythology. I have one of his books (Reflections on European Mythology and Polytheism) and listen to many of his spiritual lectures. I certainly understand why some of you who are still enthralled to the Christian branch of the Judaic-Abrahamic-Semitic religion wouldn’t like him due to that. He also has some good insights on permaculture and living outside the “grid”, although some of his proposals are quite unrealistic for many of us to implement.
However, I agree that he has two primary faults, the first being the MGTOW issue since he seems to not be aware (more like willing to address or notice) of the ill-effects of Feminism, which negates his “advice” about relationships and “dating” or courtship that may have been good in the past but is completely counterproductive and even suicidal today.
Second, is his ignorant, idiotic and stupid comments about Southern Europeans which for obvious reasons I also staunchly reject. Our great broader European culture is unthinkable without the interaction of the Germanic, Celtic, Baltic and Slavic WITH the Iberian, Italic, Balkan and Greek. Even our pagan sources attest to our common Indo-European heritage, so there’s no place now for such chauvinists or Nordicists especially now more than ever.
Sean, his moronic stances on anti-MGTOW and Nordicist chauvanism are no-brainers… dude is a fukin idiot.
Now, I’ve tried to debate countless pagans many times before but the clowns don’t like to debate, and that really pisses me off. And if you and I don’t get this settled, we’re gonna keep going back-and-forth on it, so let’s fight this out right now. I’d also like any/every other pagan who wants to fight this out, including my Kyle Hunts and my Sineads. I’d even love to get Varg’s scrawny punk ass over here.
For starters, would you say Jews are pro-Christian, anti-Christian, or just kinda “neutral” on the religion? How about their stance on paganism? If you say they’re ‘anti-paganism’, how about let’s compare notes on it…
Much like the different varieties of Christians, from the Jew-wise and red-pilled ones like you to the most cuckservative Jew-worshipping ones or even the most liberal New Age “mainline” Christians – and all shades in between – there are so many different varieties of Paganism – and one noticeable example is many who even reject the phrase itself, while others don’t. So not one standard position where all speak with the same voice.
The Folkish Asatru that I’ve gotten into – and I’ve been connecting with their communities here in the Southeast (Alabama/Georgia) – are a completely different variety than the New Agesy, universalist, LARPers that most Christians seem to envision when they think about “Pagans”. I.e. those who are simply Occultists or even Satanists (yes, we’d agree there!) and carry their baggage into “Paganism” merely as a way of rebelling against Christianity or whatever their motives are (some are just role-playing LARPers).
Rather, I would recommend the Asatru Folk Assembly as the most authentic and consistent in what true Germanic Paganism is about. Certainly not the universalist, New Age, aberrations, nor certain others who may not be like the New Agers but still their paganism is determined by their politics first and foremost, such as the National Socialists. There’s a difference here, where the “Pagan” has a political interest aside from the spiritual or whether their spiritual is merely a motive of their politics.
“For starters, would you say Jews are pro-Christian, anti-Christian, or just kinda “neutral” on the religion? How about their stance on paganism? If you say they’re ‘anti-paganism’, how about let’s compare notes on it…”
Christianity was an important tool for the Jews in the subservience of Europe initially, but later it was invested with European qualities it completely stole and absorbed from European Paganism, such that so much of what we perceive as “Christian” was mostly Indo-European. Just research Easter (Ostara), for example, but there are innumerable others.
NOW, their plans have evolved and yes, they are anti-Christian because its long served its purpose for them although they’re still squeezing all they can from the “Christian” Zionists, the liberal “mainline Christians”, and the Judeo-Masonic infiltration of the Catholic Church. (I’d also add the KGB/Duginite neo-Stalinist Eurasianist synthesis of the Orthodox Church as well).
Unlike some other Pagans, such as those you mention, but rather like some others I’d recommend, I can look beyond the simplistic anti-Christian narrative and see that Christianity preserved much of our culture and heritage. But the difference is that I can see it was what it took from our ancient Paganism and simply Christianized, not something that was truly Christian (i.e. teachings of a Judaic reformer in Palestine named Yeshua).
One other thing that we can completely agree on is that the teachings of certain Christians against the Occult and “magic”, can and should be absorbed in combating Kabbalism and Freemasonry, because since Christianity grew up alongside the Jews (most often in confrontation) unlike European Paganism which didn’t really know the Jews historically, their remedies against that occultic-kabbalistic-masonic evil do have validity and their symptoms should be valued since they had to grow them in reaction to this problem.
“Sorcery” is a heavily-invested term and I didn’t fully know how to answer since I was still quite new in my studies back then and got sidetracked by my job search at the time (no longer a problem). But I would ask, how much of the Christian definition is truly Christian and how much is simply borrowed from Judaism? Because having read so many of the Church fathers and various Christian theologians on the subject, I see how much they cited the Jewish Old Testament over and above even the New Testament when it came to “converting” the Pagan (a result of the Romanization of Christianity, whereas Judaism was strictly for the “Chosen people” and only cared to smite rather than “convert”).
“Genius” words coming from Varg over here…
“Christians burned all the records of these cultures. That includes the European cultures. That includes African cultures; Asian cultures; American cultures. Wherever they were, they destroyed everything.”
“The Christians burned all the records; like in the Library of Alexandria”… so apparently evil Christians burned them, but somehow there are still records or something? I want Varg and my other pagans to elaborate on that for me…
“Christianity is the root of all problems in the modern world.”
“Christianity was originally a Jewish religion. Christianity was originally a Jewish sect. Baptism was all about the ritual murder of the gentile. And then they call the Jewish name that’s supposed to replace the pagan soul.”
Dude’s got jokes like just about all his other punk ass pagan friends… wouldn’t you say, Sean? I asked you before, WHY is it that pagans aren’t against sorcery, but Christians are? I didn’t catch your answer man… clearly you’re still enthralled with paganism and you can answer for me because I must be “missing” something over here…
Here we have the “genius” Varg making a couple “slight” contradictions. Let’s see… Christianity burns and destroys everywhere it goes; it’s the root of *ALL* problems in the modern world… but somehow at the same time and for some reason, the dumb “Christians” in this vid (Angela Merkel, the Pope, the Charles Martel (he calls him Charlemagne from da past, etc.,) are accepting refugees with open arms and aren’t burning them to the ground as they do… Christianity is “hiiiigh” crime ya know… it’s “evil” dawg. Larceny is and was everywhere white Christians were n sheeeit, right?
Can you PM Varg and tell him to make up his dumb fucking mind for clarification so we know what we’re debating here? Was it that Christians burn all cultures, including those of non-whites to the ground, but at the same time accept them with “open arms”? WHICH fucking one is it my punk ass pagans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym1S3gvQ6Z4
Jesus Christ this dude is fucking stupid, lol. I’m listening to some other vids of his now and will report what I’ve found in a bit. Pagans don’t strike me as being the brightest mofos ever to have come down the pike, and that’s putting it very politely, lol.
Given that my internet connection is not good ATM, I’ll be back a little later to finish or try to finish this debate, but it’s gonna be a lot of information. Given my pagans love talking shit, it’d only be right for me to clown the shit out of paganism in return, because it’s a stupid fucking religion, just like it’s adherents are, lol. I can talk shit for days about punk ass paganism. BTW, Varg, I didn’t know paganism was a “white” religion… non-whites weren’t around practicing paganism and sorcery long before Christianity, were they? I guess Europeans spread it to all non-Europeans or something? Or vice versa? Anyway, FUCK pagans.
Excellent comment by Sean Jobst. Raising many important points.
Yeah, exactly. I also understand that. It would be hilarious for Christian-oriented people to like Varg. I strongly dislike cognitive dissonance of THAT kind. Most Christian white identitarians/ethnonationalists SHOULD dislike Varg for that reason. The dude was very open about disliking Christianity very early on…
Bingo! And that’s why he keeps on the blahblah.. Because most people, of any race, cannot fully implement his solutionzz. He feels smart this way, lecturing us plebs on how to think and live.
Yeah. He should be morally disqualified to ever speak about white identity, having said the spectacular bullshit he has.
Mediterranean whites are more lively, but impulsive (that’s my opinion). Extreme North(Western)-euro-types are more gentle, but robotic (again my opinion as a Greek). Now if we want to start the Offending Game, they can say we (Greeks, Italians) are niggers. And we can say they (Swedes for example) are faggots and pussies. It’s that simple.
Why don’t I insult Nordics without them insulting me first? Because I am a REAL white identitarian. Not fake like Varg. I can say a lot of shit about Swedish snowflakes if I want. I know some NW-europeans personally out of my job. They are more Boring than Greeks…
P.S. A quick comment on Varg’s “Paganism”: Let’s find our european roots yeah…! why not? But Sean, plz tell me why this guy flirted with Satanism (or fake Satanism) in his life… Is this the life of a truthful -no-abrahamic-baloney- type of person? Or the life of a lifetime poseur (either it is through hanging around with poseur buddies burning churches in da 90z to get black metal pussy (if there was ANY back then), or trying (and failing miserably) to surpass the man he murdered in being a poseur, and also a talented musician)..
You know Satanism is Abrahamic too… Isn’t it? Who’s Satan? 😛
I guess these newbs jumping on the pro-pagan bandwagon don’t know this shit because they haven’t interacted with many other groups or people, but paganism isn’t a “white” fucking religion as these so-called “pro-white pagans” think it is. Reverence to pagan gods and sects could be found in many non-white parts of the world, long before Christianity. And were the Babylonians, during the Babylonian empire, white as a collective, for instance?
I’ve encountered and argued with many stupid ass anti-white pagans before I started thinking of the need to organize pro-whites in groups. Stupid, stupid fucking pagans, but these Vargs will try to make people think pagans are “pro-white”, lmfao. Just because there are vocal pagan elements among pro-whites doesn’t mean they’re fucking “pro-white” as a collective.
And I’d like to hear what Varg has to say about all the non-white pagans in this world. Are they his brothers and sisters over white Christians? I’ll bet you he holds more reverence for them than white Christians because he’s a douche bag fucking tool who needs to die. Lol. OMG, he “knows” about certain evil Jews and Muslims… that’s soooo “hard” to figure out right? For a fucktard it is, lol.
They are ABSOLUTELY NOT “pro-white” as a whole. I can vouch for that personally. They are about 90% ANTI WHITE. Some “pagans” are also chosen people doing their job (simulation, fakery). They are not even Pagan.
I can go on and on and on about Christians. But of course, because I have an analogue brain that can combine, I can tell you about the fuckin Pagans too. There are Pagans in Greece. They are mostly alcoholic faggots who like binge-drinkin'(and eating) near Mt Olympus (that’s literaly true, I am not joking here). They are mostly obese, with bizarre hair. All the women inside are complete fucking poseur specialista whores. I mean they even get $$ (indirectly but they do) from opening their legs to male esoteric specialista fags. They actually try to make us believe THEY believe that a fuckin thunder was thrown by a Zeus individual (literally or “metaphrically”). We (normal people) don’t even believe THEY believe it themselves. Confused? Well that’s 2nd level abstraction on simuation/fakery there, so you should be confused folks. Total bullshit.
When people think of “Pagan”, they think of something more in tune with nature. Flower-kid style. Furthermore.. most think of short stories about Thor or Zeus they learned in movie thaters… in movies….. made by anti-white chosen people…. Go figure… The “pagans” you see are not even real Pagans…
Some pagan mythology is nice. Just like some christian mythology. I prefer the pagan mythology personally. More intersting stories. Less -mideastern-ism- (which I feel alien to). The question is: is this mideasternism alien to europeans? That’s the serious question. All else (pagan vs christian, christian vs pagan, pagan vs pagan, christian vs christian) is bullshit…
…and irrelevant to Whites as a whole.
I have my own valid criticisms of how modern Christianity has been infiltrated and subverted and about some of it’s traditional flaws, but Varg comes along running his IGNORANT FUCKING MOUTH like a typical know-nothing when he really just needs it SLAMMED SHUT.
Another one of his countless ridiculous criticisms of Christianity is that it’s “anti-family”. He cherry picks a few verses out of the Bible which appear to be anti-family while ignoring all the others that are pro-family like any clown without a valid debate/argument would do.
I’ve said many times before, and long ago that one of the problems with traditional Christianity these days is they’re pro-marriage in a society where marriage and the family courts and society are anti-male. Yeees, Christians believe in marriage as a group, but dumb ass Varg rants on and on how it’s “anti-family” because he’s a stupid fucking white knight chump. I’ve had many arguments with certain anti-Christian MGTOWs who hated Christianity and said it’s promotion of marriage is anti-male while Varg claims the opposite.
So we have all these FOOLS are will use ANY false claim at their disposal to try to prove whatever their fucked up narrative is, and the anti-Christian crowd is no exception. Some attack it for being an “incredibly violent” religion, while others attack it for being an “incredibly passive” religion (Varg does both like the stupid motherfucker that he is). Some attack it for being “racist” against non-whites and other attack it for being a cucked out religion. Then some attack it for being “anti-family” like Varg, and others attack it for being anti-male. At the end of the day, it’s a bunch of stupid mother fuckers who don’t know what the FUCK they’re talking about who can’t keep their STUPID fucking MOUTHS shut like the dumb DOUCHE BAGS that they are.
I appologize but I am having connection bullshit (and a problem with my comment being actually SENT), so I pre-emtively apologize for any double posting, please delete it. Thanks.
Looking at Phil’s comment here I am just trying to hold myself and not say some outlandish things that I always had in my mind about women in western (white) society…
…But I will not hold, it’s fun to share thoughts! So let’s go: This is the Fox solution to the problem. Let’s go engineering baby!!
First, obviously there is a problem (Women in Western Society). Someone who doesn’t agree should just go play pacman. There are better things to do for you dummies.
Identification of the Problem:
There seems to be an inflation in the EGO of western women, there also seems to be an inflation of the PERECEIVED VALUE of the female from society at large. We got two inflated variables A) EGO, B) VALUE of PUSSY. Both variables are being inflated and are causing problems. If someone doesn’t agree should go watch some movie.
Consequences of, and gravity of the problem:
White men are driven towards INCEL. A smell of intention (from someone) exists here, because they are pushing INCEL mania with all the stage fake INCEL shooting attacks (hey incels! go crazy!). In any case, men are driven towards fuckin SUICIDE to be completely truthful and frank. Women are pushed (by ???) to be more openly, outright hypergamous than they already were before mid-20th-cent. ‘Sex and the City’ and ‘Friends’ were some examples of the probably deliberate propaganda to degrade males and inflate women. Consequences? Males were, are, and always WILL BE the driving force of culture and civilization. By trying to disgrace us and inflate the value of the vagina, they are actualy destroying the main force behind actually EVERYTHING: MEN.
Engineering a solution:
1) Control mainstream media and government (impossible step)
2) Stop promoting education to women. If needed push promoting non-education for women.
3) Show examples of virility, male pride. Those damn whiskey commercials, with all the men having fun. Yeah good! Do such shit (without promoting alcohol). Promote male bonding. Promote applied, ample philosophy for males (no metaphors, no shit). Promote understanding, conversation, and brotherhood in males.
4) Give a fuckin P U R P O S E to males. Most males long for distance, for exploration, for the unlimited. Promote martial arts but not muh-muscles faggotry. Promote athleticism, mounteneering, exploration.
Answer to possible questions:
1) Fox, why not educate women, But educate them to be respectful to males?
-Allright, that’s a reasonable thought on how to deflate the inflated variables. But too much time lost. Time is valuable. And the hypothesis for the end result is questionable. Who and how can do it? Furthermore, women are not as smart as men (Richard Lynn has done a research for you non-believers) and wasting resources for the 1 out of a GAZILLION who would be as a great mind as a man is a craziness. No education for women.
2) Fox you hate women?
-What’s women? The platonic idea of the woman? No. But most of the contemporary females? Yes I do. Because the system promotes (inflates) them and the not only ride the horse, but the pose and bullshit me. They break something from my personal code of honor, the do HYBRIS because of their V A N I T Y. I hate their vanity. When someone promotes/inflates ME FOX. I say THANK YOU SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. I don’t ride the horse and dive in megalomania because of VANITY like the 99,9% of the fuckin women do for the last couple of decades.
3) What about families Fox?
-I give it to them! The marxsit chosens did it. They scored a goal. It’s just a fuckin mad-max wasteland now. They fucked our social structure. I am at a loss at how we should raise the kids of the next generation (though I have some thoughts of my own). But I will NEVER accept the fairy tale that being a TRAD (with all it entails) is how a man should live. No, men… Improvise… Use your imagination. Life is beautiful, but only when you are free of coercion. I am a proud WHITE MAN. I am as MAN as I am WHITE and the reverse. No, sir. I will not bow down and be the slave. I won’t push myself to accept female hybris, vanity and bullshit. We have to conversate (like here) and find a solution about how to fix our social structure. Old style AMREN famylist bullshit is redundant. The 3 waves of feminism ended the magic of the woman. No more “romanticism”. No more metaphors and stories of loving couples dying together. We have to accept our CURRENT situation. Women are unlikable at this point. Reality is what it is.
Epilogue:
Unfortunately we cannot fix the problem of the two inflations (pussy and ego) currently, because we don’t control our media in our countries. Neither we control our governments. However…. we have so much genetic garbage in our system (fuckin useless morons) that I am not sure we could even do it if we (white identitarians) controlled media and government tomorrow. But I don’t want to be very pessimistic here.
Da bitchez back in da kitchen 😉
Fox,
“3) What about families Fox?
-I give it to them! The marxsit chosens did it. They scored a goal. It’s just a fuckin mad-max wasteland now. They fucked our social structure. I am at a loss at how we should raise the kids of the next generation (though I have some thoughts of my own). But I will NEVER accept the fairy tale that being a TRAD (with all it entails) is how a man should live. No, men… Improvise… Use your imagination. Life is beautiful, but only when you are free of coercion. I am a proud WHITE MAN. I am as MAN as I am WHITE and the reverse. No, sir. I will not bow down and be the slave. I won’t push myself to accept female hybris, vanity and bullshit. We have to conversate (like here) and find a solution about how to fix our social structure. Old style AMREN famylist bullshit is redundant. The 3 waves of feminism ended the magic of the woman. No more “romanticism”. No more metaphors and stories of loving couples dying together. We have to accept our CURRENT situation. Women are unlikable at this point. Reality is what it is.”
So many of these mothers today are just terrible. A mother isn’t a necessity in a child’s life beyond the weaning stage and the child can do without her… in fact in many cases, it’s better without the bitch. Out of convenience for many couples though (given the average dude is stuck in a typical kind of job), a guardian has to be present when the father isn’t around, and a lot of these fathers don’t have the money to pay for babysitting care while he’s at work, etc., at least for certain periods in his life where he’s not in his peak income years, and it sucks for these dudes. They really didn’t look before they leaped, and/but it’s not necessarily their fault either, they were just told how “special” these broads were to wife up and other such nonsense like how much “value” she’s gonna contribute to his life, lol.
These tradcon clowns in the alt-right tell dudes to jump right into serious relationshits with these hoes without planning and strategizing because increasing the white birthrate is far more important than anything else whites should be doing. No planning and no strategizing; just close your eyes and jump right into it. Dat’s “genius”, lol. That’s how all these dudes get raked over the coals by these hoes and the system.
A couple things *smart* dudes could do to increase their chances of success in life and raising children, lower their risks, and do a better, more efficient job of fathering:
1. Make sure you’re actually financially secure BEFORE having kids. It really helps if a dude has enough cashola on hand to afford surrogate mothers and/or has no problems hiring respected baby-sitters.
2. Public schooling is extremely sub-par. Private school the kid or kids. The Spartans also had great ideas for raising boys. Instead of cooping them up in the classroom all day, let them use all their excess energy in learning how to survive (hunt, fish, build forts, etc.,); for competing and dealing with adversity; and instead of spending a bunch of time learning a bunch of information the kid will never use (like algebra, geometry, fine arts, etc), get them involved in trade schools where they can specialize in fields of choice that they’re interested in. Focus on passions and talents, not the other way around.
3. Do NOT listen to these dumb as shit tradcons, lol. 🙂
Nice comment Dana. I probably agree 100%. Just a few side notes.
1) Actually a combination of Ancient Sparta and Ancient Athens is a pretty reasonable way of running the System. And I am not saying that because I am Greek. If we roughly take both societies as an expression of something: Culture/Civilization (Athens) and Virility (Sparta) (BOTH male oriented), I say BOTH. However it is also important to understand that these ancient societies had their own problems. And also of course there is a lot of historical bullshit which limits our ability to really know what these ancient societies were. For example Socrates, for all we know, could have been a fictional character fabricated by Plato. Who knows? Let’s take anything “historical” with a grain of salt, like we do with, you know, the HHHHhhhhholocaust… etc
2) I take it a bit further. Public schools should be banned. Public schools are nothing but propaganda outlets organized in a concentration camp-fashion. Especially now that we have the internet, there is, for the first time in history, a real possibility to educate some THOROUGHLY, without any need for public kid-concentration camps.
3) Well the tradcons will say that we need numbers. Yes.. they are right. But let’s imagine we were alone in the planet (only whites). Hm hm hm… In fact we would need LESS numbers….. Think about it men… We need to cut down on a lot of genetic shit. The only reason the tradcons are out on the rooftops screaming WHITE BIRTHS is that the non-whites overwhelm us in birth rates. But that’s because the HHhhhumanists (muh-charity/aid poseurs) are giving out fucking food to these non-whites. Think of Africa. So they (tradcons) should focus on more things than one thing (white births).
We need more whites. Ok I concede that point. But what types of whites? HMmm I mean more wiggers? No… More ethnonationalists? Well hmm yeah… But how exactly are we gonna achieve that? Put an ethnonationalist quiz on 10yo’s so we can indirectly approach the question of their quality for -future whites-? What about nuts? Do we need more nutty whites? Well….. Reality is a bit more complicated than a Jared Taylor screaming “MORE WHITES!!!!!!!!”. Reality is also more delicate than one sided moronic overspecialista shit “MOREEE WWHIIITEEESSHSsss”.
More GOOD whites should be the slogan. If we need ‘slogans’ and shit to go on. Presumably we do because we are morons (actually MOST of the alt-right (and light as a logical extension) are specialista tradcons at this point).
So let’s see what we’ve got over here for the people who can’t figure out that Jews are anti-Christian (this includes all these pernicious pagans and many others in and around the “alt-right” who I have little respect for like Richard Spencer and every other prominent voice who’s pro-pagan, and even others like Rae West). They’re not “pro” Christian and they’re not “neutral” on the issue, either. Jewish Zionists will support Christian Zionists while endlessly continuing to undermine, disempower and belittle Christianity though. BTW, we also have globalist organizations promoting paganism, but not a word about it from these pagans because it doesn’t fit their chump narratives. Pagans dindu nuffin, you know. They wuz and iz, just “innocent lil’ angels”. And it’s funny to hear pagans talk about how Christianity was so ‘ruthless’ to pagans but make no mention of the early persecutions of Christians by pagans like that “didn’t happen”. Pagans are “precious” who’d do no such thing.
So some QUICK questions for my pagans and/or people who think Christianity was/is a “Jewish” religion:
1. Did Jews get expelled over and over again from Christian cities and countries or not? If SO, WHY?
2. Are the ADL, SPLC, ACLU, and any other prominent Jewish financed and/or led/operated organizations pro-Christian or anti-Christian? How about academia? Are these “hard” fucking questions to answer, or what? I think they’re VERY hard for fucking pagans to answer because they’re stupid, but that’s besides the point… they need to be answered…
Christianity is an immigrant, Middle East religion, according to Varg, but I guess Muhammed never preached to Arab pagans in modern day Saudi Arabia because they “didn’t exist” there, right? Paganism be a “white religion” n sheeeit, lol.
Hey Varg, better check your privilege, dawg. I don’t have any stats on it so I don’t know nearly precisely how many there have been, but there has been an explosion of newby pagans acting like paganism and pagans were/are “pro-white” like the delusional fools that they are. Certainly not the dumb bastards I’ve encountered in the past before the pro-white movement started exploding… those clowns were just like any other dumb anti-white you’d find. They sure ain’t getting their ‘pro-whiteness’ from paganism, lol…
Lol another victimist faggot-group, as if there weren’t enough already in the world. Fuck them.
Lolz. And a couple comments from the vid for muh “Paganism is a ‘white religion for whites only and therefore it’s superior to Middle Eastern religions like Christianity n sheeeit” pagans, lol:
“Oliver’s channel
11 months ago
I am a Swede a true nord viking And I agree with you. If u want to learn more you should visit Sweden :)”
Ohhh yeah, many people are visiting Sweden ATM, lol. They’re gonna love you cucks… good thing you’re pagans, lol. 😉
And this is precious. I’m glad I’ve learned “so much” from Vajayjay Varg about paganism, lol:
“Erin Avey
11 months ago
As an Ásatrúar…
This is disgusting. Using runes and symbols of a peaceful faith to create hate speech is beyond childish and ridiculous.
Let’s clear something else up here, Ásatrú (faith in the Norse Gods, such as Odin, Thor, Freyja, etc) is not race based. Most of these white supremacists only believe so because it a was a scandinavian way of life back in the day. However, it does NOT state anywhere that the “religion” had any sort of skin color restrictions and to anyone who may want to argue that subject with me, I have a few questions for you first…
Do you claim to know what Odin and the rest of the Gods prefer?
Do you think the Gods are too incompetent to deal with being followed by someone they deem “Unworthy” on their own?
If your answer to the first question is yes, you’re an idiot. If your answer to the second question is yes, you’re just plain stupid and do not belong here. Respect is a key feature in our faith… if you call yourself Ásatrúar/Odinist, respect the Gods… or they will not respect you. Using the runes in a manner such as Charlottesville… I’m pretty sure that falls in line with “disrespectful”.
If you call yourself an Ásatrú/Odinist and behave in such a manner, you have no honor. You have no respect for our Gods, and I truly hope you get what is coming to you when you meet the Allfather.”
Lol… go gettem Varg… although Varg would agree that “sexism” is harmful because he’s a white knight. That reminds me, the fucking pagans I’ve encountered in the past, with the exception of TWO that I can think of were misandric pussies. Must be just “me” though, lol…
“paganperspective
Published on Mar 3, 2012
I believe that racism and sexism are harmful. I have not personally seen either in the Pagan community. I believe that most of the charges of racism and sexism made against the Heathern community are the result of fringe elements who use Heathern symbols, mythology and ritual but pervert the Noble Virtues. I believe that we should confront racism and sexism when we encounter them and use our best judgement as to how to do it.”
“ash anarchy
1 year ago (edited)
i dont think racist pagans have a real grasp on what odinism/asatru really is”
^Lolz. He said, “We Wiccan-based pagans get a bad rap for being devil worshipers because we use the pentacle and one of our main deities is the horned-god.”
Spoken like Varg, lolz. That reminds me of Dave Chappelle talking about women dressed provocatively and prostitutes, and saying, well, you might not be one, but you sure dress like one – or a person dressing like a cop… well, they might not be a cop, but they sure dress like one, lol… or hoodies – well you might not be a criminal, but lot’s of criminals wear hoodies, lol. At least he’s candid though but either terribly ignorant on occultism or just knowingly lying. If so many pagans are into the occult and witchcraft and pagans don’t renounce sorcery, you’d kinda possibly think that just a “few” are into devil worship, wouldn’t ya? Naaaah, lol.
Yes, there are many pagan dieties like Molech, Ra, and Baal. They’re “not” devils though n stuff ya know, lol. We don’t have countless celebrities and politicians flashing around devil-horned hand-signs or using pentagrams or inverted crosses or anything, lol.
Fox, of coooourse this is totally relevant to whites, brotha, despite what Rae West would say. I’d debate Rae on this aaaanytime. This isn’t “new” news either, I’ve been at this for a long time and the information has been there for all to see, just that so many people prefer to have blinders on and/or are lazy/dumb. Pagans are absolutely delusional on the topic of spirituality. I mean I’ve known pagans using the eye of fukin Horus as their profile pictures because they thought occultism is cool. Telling them otherwise gets their panties in a bunch. And yeah, many do hate Christians. And it just so happens that the West is being run by Kabbalistic (Satanic) Jews who hate Christianity partly *because* it’s against their sorcery. Sure as shit ain’t like pagans are gonna be doing anything about it… they think sorcery is “cool” as a collective. Christianity is INFINITELY better than paganism in this regard.
Speaking of burning things down, I have a question for Vargina Varg. Was Nero a “Christian”? He musta been to burn things down like that, cuz you know, Christians can’t stop playing with matches n sheeeeit, right! Lolz. I should call him a Christian just because pagans love talking shit and blaming many things on Christians that they didn’t do, like calling these souled-out, Luciferian Popes who also use pagan symbolism as “Christian”. But since I know Texe Marrs pointed out that Nero was actually Jewish, I’ll leave it at that, but when shit happens to me like my car breaking down, I’ma blame it on pagans for the fun of it so we can all live in egalitarianism n sheeeit.
Stuff you don’t see pagans talking about cuz they’re dindus, ya know:
Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire occurred intermittently over a period of over two centuries between the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD under Nero Caesar and the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, in which the Roman Emperors Constantine the Great and Licinius legalised the Christian religion.
The persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was carried out by the state and also by local authorities on a sporadic, ad hoc basis, often at the whims of local communities. Starting in 250 AD, empire-wide persecution took place by decree of the emperor Decius. The edict was in force for eighteen months, during which time some Christians were killed while others apostatised to escape execution.
These persecutions heavily influenced the development of Christianity, shaping Christian theology and the structure of the Church. Among other things, persecution sparked written explanations and defenses of the Christian religion.
Duration and extent
Persecution of the early church had occurred sporadically and in localised areas since its beginning. The first persecution of Christians organised by the Roman government took place under the emperor Nero in 64 AD after the Great Fire of Rome. With the passage in 313 AD of the Edict of Milan, persecution of Christians by the Roman state ceased.[1] The total number of Christians who lost their lives because of these persecutions is unknown; although early church historian Eusebius, whose works are the only source for many of these events, speaks of “great multitudes” having perished, he is thought by many scholars today to have exaggerated their numbers.[1][2]:217–233
There was no empire-wide persecution of Christians until the reign of Decius in the third century.[3] Provincial governors had a great deal of personal discretion in their jurisdictions and could choose themselves how to deal with local incidents of persecution and mob violence against Christians. For most of the first three hundred years of Christian history, Christians were able to live in peace, practice their professions, and rise to positions of responsibility. Only for approximately ten out of the first three hundred years of the church’s history were Christians executed due to orders from a Roman emperor.[2]:129
Reasons
Before 250 AD, persecution was not empire wide; it was localized, sporadic, often mob-led, with occasional actions from local authorities.[4]:86[5] Reasons for persecution can be understood by looking at a few main areas of conflict.
“The exclusive sovereignty of Christ clashed with Caesar’s claims to his own exclusive sovereignty.”[4]:87 The Roman empire practiced religious syncretism and did not demand loyalty to one god, but they did demand preeminent loyalty to the state, and this was expected to be demonstrated through the practices of the state religion with numerous feast and festival days throughout the year.[6]:84–90[7] The nature of Christian monotheism prevented Christians from participating in anything involving ‘other gods’.[8]:60 Christians did not participate in feast days or processionals or offer sacrifices or light incense to the gods; this produced hostility.[5] They refused to offer incense to the Roman emperor, and in the minds of the people, the “emperor, when viewed as a god, was … the embodiment of the Roman empire”,[9] so Christians were seen as disloyal to both.[4]:87[10]:23 In Rome, “religion could be tolerated only as long as it contributed to the stability of the state” which would “brook no rival for the allegiance of its subjects. The state was the highest good in a union of state and religion.”[4]:87 In Christian monotheism the state was not the highest good.[4]:87[8]:60
“Christians moved their activities from the streets to the more secluded domains of houses, shops and women’s apartments…severing the normal ties between religion, tradition and public institutions like cities and nations”.[11]:119 This ‘privatizing of religion’ was another primary factor in persecution.[12]:3[11]:112,116,119 They sometimes met at night, in secret, and this aroused suspicion among the pagan population accustomed to religion as a public event; rumors abounded[11]:120,121 that Christians committed flagitia, scelera, and maleficia— “outrageous crimes”, “wickedness”, and “evil deeds”, specifically, cannibalism and incest (referred to as “Thyestian banquets” and “Oedipodean intercourse”)— due to their rumored practices of eating the “blood and body” of Christ and referring to each other as “brothers” and “sisters”.[13][14]:128
Edward Gibbon wrote:
By embracing the faith of the Gospel the Christians incurred the supposed guilt of an unnatural and unpardonable offence. They dissolved the sacred ties of custom and education, violated the religious institutions of their country, and presumptuously despised whatever their fathers had believed as true, or had reverenced as sacred.[15]
Christian heroes and martyrs (1895) (14778548661)
Christianity practiced an inclusivity not found in the social caste system of Roman empire and was therefore perceived by its opponents as a “disruptive and, most significantly, a competitive menace to the traditional class/gender based order of Roman society”.[11]:120–126 Gibbon argued that the seeming tendency of Christian converts to renounce their family and country and their frequent predictions of impending disasters instilled a feeling of apprehension in their pagan neighbours.[16]
Much of the pagan populace maintained a sense that bad things would happen if the established pagan gods were not respected and worshiped properly.[17][18] By the end of the second century, the Christian apologist Tertullian complained about the widespread perception that Christians were the source of all disasters brought against the human race by the gods. ‘They think the Christians the cause of every public disaster, of every affliction with which the people are visited. If the Tiber rises as high as the city walls, if the Nile does not send its waters up over the fields, if the heavens give no rain, if there is an earthquake, if there is famine or pestilence, straightway the cry is, “Away with the Christians to the lions!”‘[19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire
Speaking of burning things down, I have a question for Vargina Varg. Was Nero a “Christian”? He musta been to burn things down like that, cuz you know, Christians can’t stop playing with matches n sheeeeit, right! Lolz. I should call him a Christian just because pagans love talking shit and blaming many things on Christians that they didn’t do, like calling these souled-out, Luciferian Popes who also use pagan symbolism as “Christian”. But since I know Texe Marrs pointed out that Nero was actually Jewish, I’ll leave it at that, but when shit happens to me like my car breaking down, I’ma blame it on pagans for the fun of it so we can all live in egalitarianism n sheeeit.
Stuff you don’t see pagans talking about cuz they’re dindus, ya know:
Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire occurred intermittently over a period of over two centuries between the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD under Nero Caesar and the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, in which the Roman Emperors Constantine the Great and Licinius legalised the Christian religion.
The persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was carried out by the state and also by local authorities on a sporadic, ad hoc basis, often at the whims of local communities. Starting in 250 AD, empire-wide persecution took place by decree of the emperor Decius. The edict was in force for eighteen months, during which time some Christians were killed while others apostatised to escape execution.
These persecutions heavily influenced the development of Christianity, shaping Christian theology and the structure of the Church. Among other things, persecution sparked written explanations and defenses of the Christian religion.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire
^From the same Wikipedia article above: “Persecution of Christians in The Roman Empire”:
“64-250
Persecution of the Christians.
Prior to Nero’s accusation of arson and subsequent anti-Christian actions in 64, all animosity was apparently limited to intramural Jewish hostility. In the New Testament (Acts 18:2-3), a Jew named Aquila is introduced who, with his wife Priscilla, had recently come from Italy because emperor Claudius “had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome”. It is generally agreed that from Nero’s reign until Decius’s widespread measures in 250, Christian persecution was isolated and localized.[14]:105–152 Although it is often claimed that Christians were persecuted for their refusal to worship the emperor, general dislike for Christians likely arose from their refusal to worship the gods or take part in sacrifice, which was expected of those living in the Roman Empire.[14]:105–152 Although the Jews also refused to partake in these actions, they were tolerated because they followed their own Jewish ceremonial law, and their religion was legitimized by its ancestral nature.[33]:130 On the other hand, they believed Christians, who were thought to take part in strange rituals and nocturnal rites, cultivated a dangerous and superstitious sect.[33]:125
During this period, anti-Christian activities were accusatory and not inquisitive.[14]:105–152 Governors played a larger role in the actions than did Emperors, but Christians were not sought out by governors, and instead accused and prosecuted through a process termed cognitio extra ordinem. No reliable, extant description of a Christian trial exists, but evidence shows that trials and punishments varied greatly, and sentences ranged from acquittal to death.[34]
Nero
Main article: Great Fire of Rome
See also: Early centers of Christianity § Rome
The Torches of Nero, by Henryk Siemiradzki. According to Tacitus, Nero used Christians as human torches
There are no references to the persecution of Christians by the Roman state prior to Nero, who according to Tacitus and later Christian tradition, blamed Christians for the Great Fire of Rome in 64,[14]:105–152 which destroyed portions of the city and economically devastated the Roman population. Tacitus records (Annals 15.44) that Nero was rumored to have ordered the fire himself, and in order to dispel the accusations, accused and savagely punished the already-detested Christians. Suetonius mentions that Christians were killed under Nero’s reign, but does not say anything about the fire (Nero 16.2)[21]:34 Scholars disagree about whether Christians were persecuted solely under the charge of organized arson or for other general crimes associated with Christianity.[14]:105–152[21]:32–50
Because Tertullian mentions an institutum Neronianum in his apology “To the Nations”, scholars also debate the possibility of a creation of a law or decree against the Christians under Nero. However, it has been argued that in context, the institutum Neronianum merely describes the anti-Christian activities; it does not provide a legal basis for them. Furthermore, no known writers show knowledge of a law against Christians.[21]:35″
Dana, I think you should contact Rae West and see what happens. Have you already done it? In any case, since you are knoledgable about Christianity etc, it would be nice to debate him about his admittedly kind of rigid opinion on christianity. I would personaly never do it because there are infinitely more important subjects (that’s my humble personal opinion) that he has researched (Science for example, because i think that science philosophy and religion were, are, and will always be interconnected, therefore fixing science is an important task at least for us, scientists, of any kind)
Now about the -relevance- of christianity for whites in the NOW. Again I am waxing personal here, but I sincerely think that religion is a private thing. That’s why I am against centrally-organized religion. So my point is that it can be -relevant- to us as -units-. But probably irrelevant to us as a group: ‘Contemporary Whites’.
I will make a very important (IMHO) point here. But a bit complicated: Many people are against rigid, centrally enforced spirituality (like catholicism). Why? Because having your own little brand of spirituality means you can do whatever you want with that concept (including bullshit). Now this is important: People wanna use “magic” in the cheating sense. -Oh today I was fired from my job, but my spiritualtiy will help me get through it. I believe in X,Y,Z… And I am “different” (I have more spiritual power) from the (supposed) normies who are christians etc.- Now what is secretly hoped and implied here is that they (esoterics, including pagans) will be able to use ‘something’ (which they control themselves) which will (hopefully) make their lives better (in reality). That’s Magic there for you sir. Some of them (spiritual individualists, including pagans) de facto believe in “magic”. That’s why they are probably LESS functional than mainstream spiritualists (normie christians) because they have more “magic” thinking. They are not much different to heroin addicts in that sense. Because both believe that a single Thought, OR Action, can immediately bring peace and comfort to their minds.
This ‘magic’ is not very different from the kabbalistic shit. Unfortunately, in a time where ego is boosted by TV and commercials etc, spiritual magical thinking is dominating the -muh own spirituality brand- types. I cannot prove it but I suspect that some Pagans think they are literally God themselves lol. Muh-spirituality is another one of these ‘products’ they sell in youtube and in the internet in general.
From a european/white identitarian viewpoint I am not sure that Christianity OR Paganism is useful as a whole. But parts of both could be reinterpreted into a new Future Christianity, or just Future ‘Religion’. Some moral examples from stories from both Christianity and Paganism (and even other religions) could be useful to white men of today. Very unfortunately, most people need some moral code to behave themselves. Ideally, they should have it naturally in themselves.. but…. look at the situation man…. It’s unbelievable. Most people have the attention span (and moral character) of fuckin insects. It is beyond them to philosophize and think abstractly about ethics. They are more AWED by female BOOBS than by the fuckin Grand Canyon. Some “religion” is needed because I don’t trust us (white men) so much to be naturally moral.
We, whites, are by far the most creative and intelligent force in this fuckin planet. But decades (or more) of propaganda by the chosen people have led us to become totally materialistic wandering morons. We unfortunately need religion, or at least the concept of GOD to…. behave…..
If we could travel to the past (like the “science” movie stars Ein$tein and Hawking claim) and watch how we (whites) were in the middle ages (for example), we could make a reasonable assumption about this: -Whites and their relation to Christianity.- But now we cant, because the situation is very convoluted (Christianity is being attacked REAL-TIME by the chosen people via propaganda in all media.). The best we can do in the future is to use stories from religions related to us (like Vedic Hinduism) as MORAL examples for future whites. Christianity could provide some good moral example (like other religions).
Nevertheless, these are our main future goals, and they have nothing to do with (any) religion.
1) Genetic Independence (lol), no boats, no invasions.
2) Women to behave themselves.
3) Ideological Independence (no holocausts, no forced “victimhoods” and “perpetratorhoods”). We dont care about the interests of other groups.
4) Expose others WHEN they attack (or subvert) us, our character, and our goals.
Fox, no I’ve never contacted Rae and he’s not a dude I’ve known of for very long, other than seeing you and Dorset talk about him. I listened to a few of his podcasts and looked at his site. I can’t comment on YouTube for some reason and I didn’t see a way to comment on his site. But I have to say, to be around as long as Rae has, it’s mind-boggling to me that he’s an atheist and not adept on the concept of spirituality. It was a paradigm I knew a bit about it back in 2010, but started looking heavily into it around 2012 when I started connecting lots of dots on the topic and have kept looking at it since then in intermittent bursts and have thus accumulated much more knowledge on it. Hate to say it, but it’s way, way over Rae’s head. I’d debate Rae on it aaaany time; he simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about on it.
We’re talking about enemies inside the gates here: they’re extremely deceptive and destructive. Of COURSE this is very important and needs to be fought out. The blame for problems needs to be SQUARELY placed on the problem causers with as close as possible to the most accurate amount of blame placed on each and every problem-causer. If NOT, activists act like an auto-immune disease attacking good parts that should never have been attacked in the first place while the virus, bacteria, infection etc., continually grows unchecked.
Like this fucking tool Varg… he might be some plant, but if he isn’t, he’s placing wrongful blame on people who aren’t and weren’t doing WTF he’s claiming in so many instances. He’s spreading disinformation and this wastes people’s fucking TIME and causes excessive animosity between groups and wasted resources. You know it’s unfortunate, but I first started interacting with pagans long ago and if I could go back in time, I would have never entertained their stupidity. If people can’t quickly learn, you just gotta cut ’em out and/or attack because dummies will COST you. There are many people whose stupidity I would have never entertained because they waste so much of your fucking time. And if you notice that anything negative, entirely inaccurate, and/or dumb about Christianity, he gets next to no *fact-checking* and/or opposition from his reject fucking pagan subscribers. Paganism is a gaggle-fast of low-IQ and/or delusional fucktards, unfortunately.
Organized and mainstream Christianity has all kinds of problems and you’ll almost never catch me in a random church because they’re cucked-out on many issues. This does NOT mean I’d never go to a church though because I’ve been to some big churches in San Diego and we’re talking good peeps here who are trying to do good in life and are doing good. They’re better than the average person, but I don’t go to any church to really learn anything unless it’s about some kind of personal testimonies or something. The info you can find online is much better in quantity and quality in almost every way.
What IS great about Christianity compared to all other religions that I’ve looked at is it’s identification and explanation of demonic entities and how they act; it’s anti-sorcery perspectives and it’s anti-Pharisaic perspective. There might arguably be some good prophecies, but the rest of the religion I pretty much don’t even bother with because CONTEXT is so important in the religion, and we’re talking different times and places in many instances. From a strictly spiritual perspective, it is a great religion, but the religion itself has obviously been impeded by plants/infiltrators of it’s own.
When it comes to the topics of Satanism (and spirituality), there are so many good YT channels and sites out there man. I’ve both kept up with many over the years including viewing material from lots of different content creators. One YT channel is the Vigilant Christian’s (below). His “Illuminati Entertainment Industry Exposed” section is very good. Pagans don’t talk about this shit because they don’t have a fukin clue, and really are sorcerers themselves. I’ve been attacked by pagan clowns for talking about it though, and you know why. Good Fight Ministries is another that has a good YT channel and a good site with many articles. Even Mark Dice has been good on this stuff in certain ways. But there are so many others anyone can find if they actually look.
Good stuff, but I’d just say that they don’t make the Kabbalistic Jewish connection. Virtually all secret societies are Kabbalistically-based and they gnostically invert God and Satan’s moralities here. I’ve said many times and will continue to say it many more times, but they see God the creator (yeees, the creator in the Old Testament) as the bad guy, and Lucifer as the ‘illumintor’ and ‘liberator’ of humanity. So these particular sites and people aren’t up on the JQ, but they do know all kinds of other things when it comes to Satanism and spirituality.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheVigilantChristian
Fox, “From a european/white identitarian viewpoint I am not sure that Christianity OR Paganism is useful as a whole. But parts of both could be reinterpreted into a new Future Christianity, or just Future ‘Religion’. Some moral examples from stories from both Christianity and Paganism (and even other religions) could be useful to white men of today. Very unfortunately, most people need some moral code to behave themselves. Ideally, they should have it naturally in themselves.. but…. look at the situation man…. It’s unbelievable. Most people have the attention span (and moral character) of fuckin insects. It is beyond them to philosophize and think abstractly about ethics. They are more AWED by female BOOBS than by the fuckin Grand Canyon. Some “religion” is needed because I don’t trust us (white men) so much to be naturally moral.”
I have to say that if I were an atheist, my ego would be significantly bigger and I’d be nihilistic in some ways and self-serving. I’d frequently think more along the lines of things like, ‘why does this really matter’, ‘what can I get out of this whether it negatively impacts others or not’, etc.
There seems to be some blatant signs that paganism has had an influence on Christianity and vice versa. But when it comes to spirituality, pagans can’t figure out which fukin demon to worship today and which one to worship tomorrow, lol. STRICTLY on the topic of spirituality, Christianity is faaar superior to paganism as sorcery is forbidden in Christianity. You could openly worship demons and Lucifer and be accepted by pagans, lol.
“Nevertheless, these are our main future goals, and they have nothing to do with (any) religion.
1) Genetic Independence (lol), no boats, no invasions.
2) Women to behave themselves.
3) Ideological Independence (no holocausts, no forced “victimhoods” and “perpetratorhoods”). We dont care about the interests of other groups.
4) Expose others WHEN they attack (or subvert) us, our character, and our goals.”
I agree with those goals, but religion definitely does have it’s involvement here. For one thing, many sheeple out there have a very hard time understanding that certain people in this world could be so evil and deceptive, and thus are lemmings when it comes to falling for their tricks. If they knew that Lucifer is a *real* entity with incredibly evil intent and that he has followers and his own agents here on Earth. So there’s a lot of this talk from them about how so many of these politicians are just, “misguided”, “inept”, or “haven’t learned their lessons yet”, etc., when the stark reality is, NO, they know exactly WTF they’re doing and aren’t gonna be GETTING better. And yeees, they might seem ‘very nice’ and appear to have your best intentions at heart but can and will lie to your face while stabbing you in the back and smiling while they do it. In many cases, the Luciferian agent’s symbolism is also very easy to identify. It’s not easy to fathom certain people could be so evil and that they don’t just kill each other, but actually conspire together towards their own evil goals and objectives for humanity. It really helps to know that not only are these certain people incredibly evil, but they love to INVERT shit. Many more things could be said here, and it’s very important for people to know what these people do and WHY they do what they do: they’re LUCIFERIANS who receive their orders from Lucifer, but atheists and so many others can’t figure it out. It was hard for me to fathom until I actually started researching it in depth.
And if you can’t accurately identify your enemy, you don’t know who to fight. The result is getting pagan fucktards like Varg and his minions talking about how ‘Christians burn everything, everywhere they go’, how “evil” they are, etc. I mean, if Christians really were these insane larcenists that Varg claims, you’d think they’d actually be BURNING shit down EVERYWHERE they WERE and ARE, wouldn’t you? That’s be an IMPORTANT thing to know IF it were true. But uhhh, would we say white pagans built all the cities in America and Europe and made shitloads of inventions, or would we say it had more to do with “pagans”? That’s a real “hard” question to figure out, isn’t it? Just joking of course.
Yeah.. You are correct there Dana. A little comment: Atheism can lead to nihilism. I think this nails the point exactly. Nihilism can be good some times in your life, but it can be totally abused, and it is a rabit hole without end. Nihilism can lead to Fatalism, which quickly leads to this: -Hedonism or Suicide.-
That’s the situation many white kids found themselves into. The Kurt Cobains etc.
If I were a jerk I could simply say: They appear Demons to You because you are a Christian. But 1) I am not a jerk 2) I understand exactly what you mean.
Let’s quickly define the concepts so we won’t be lost in lingustic shit. Demon = an entity that is worshipped (for whatever reason) and generates negativity (evil). THEREFORE it is dangerous.
I am a RATIONALIST.. period… But do I believe Demons exist? Probably yes. Certainly there appear to be many ppl that worship them. We are at least sure about Demon worship. It absolutely exists in the Rock / Metal scene from the 80s up to now. Weirdly, it also exist in greek popular music, but rarely.. For hollywoodean reasons, many people worship pagan movie stars (Thor, Zeus etc) AS demons, They just wanna use some magic man…. Their life is too dull.
Speaking of “atheism”. The atheist debate-warriors (Richard Dawkins) like to be ironic about religions and religious people (except Chosenism of course, they gave no problem with that) but they are Weak on this subject: Relevance of Religion to Man. I have yet to see them prove that atheism is ingrained in the human. No.. There is a specific human emotion that leads to Religion. It’s called AWE. This (reality) could have not been created by itself. The AWE it causes (the cosmos) lead us (correctly) to the question of being religious. For me, obviously God created the world. It didn’t appear because of a hollywood, nuke-style bing bang.
In any case, why are we here (this site) and not playing tetris?.. Because we want to create a new –strategy of bettering whites–. I am not God so I cannot really figure out if (any) religion is relevant to this goal. In contrast with the philosophical kick boxers (Molyneux), I will tell you that I cannot answer some questions. I am not sure about this one. I can tell you what I think though:
1) Islam and chosenism out of the question. They don’t fit to europeans.
2) Minor Animistic religions (African Animism, Siberian Shamanism) are a bit stupid. And surreal.
3) Far eastern religions (Confucianism, Taoism, Shinto) have some amazing points, but lack the warrior spirit of europeans.
4) Christianity has both amazing stories, and laughable ones. Each denomination differs very much. It is like a group of religions lol. At least that’s my opinion. Good moral examples. Bad moral examples. Both exist in Christianity.
5) European Paganism (Odinism, Hellenic Religion) has both amazing stories, and absolutely laughable bullshit, equating Gods with human instincts, even the lower ones. Bravo, great moral example. Your Lust is Godly, ppl! lol… I am familiar with Greek mythology for obvious reasons. It is amazing. And ridiculous (at some points) at the same moment.
Pick and choose (actually feel.. and then choose) 😉
Whatever our religion. Our goals are clear. Our enemies are also clear. We can even name them if we want. Or even name their Names. But let’s focus on bettering ourselves. We (whites) are obviously in deep doo-doo. Our social structure is almost destroyed. One of the manifestations of this is the Female Question. Let’s fix ourselves. AND at the same moment guard against: 1) Enemies/Fifth columns, 2) Complacency. The future awaits European folks!
The most relevant and efficient messages that can be taken out of Christianity in the modern-day is it’s anti-sorcery and anti-Pharisaic messages. We’re dealing with certain groups and secret societies today whom are real-life Luciferians and they’re aligned on the consistent goals and agendas they’re continually working towards. One of those agendas is also to demonize and disenfranchise Christianity. The obvious question that comes to mind is why are these cults demonizing and disenfranchising Christianity, and the question has a simple answer. The answer is not really different than why they’re demonizing and disenfranchising heterosexuals, or why they’re demonizing and disenfranchising men.
As to whether or not demons exist, the question is really how can they *not* exist. The ruling Kabal goes way out of their way to conduct disgusting, psychopathic, Satanic rituals that only demented/whacked-out people could do, but still wield far, far more power per capita than any other groups. They’re also working very cohesively together when greedy psychopaths couldn’t work together without attacking, back-stabbing, and/or killing each other. This means they’re getting help and direction from *outside influences*. I researched the topic far more than enough to know they really exist and this is one of the reasons why we look at this a bit differently. It’s like you can’t see the wind, but you can see the patterns of it’s effects. It’s one of those things where when you’re in doubt, you’ve just got to research it out.
Today there are all kinds of channels and testimonies out on NDEs. In medical school, doctors are taught the materialistic (Marxist) view of life after death (there is none), but way too many these days are witnessing things totally contrary to what they’ve been taught, and so they’re having to abandon their old beliefs about it and are inculcating new ones and they’re organizing into bigger and bigger groups.
Pagans are a lot like special-needs children. I remember when I got to my first ship in the Navy, my berthing for my co-workers was full, so as is common, I had to sleep in the deck-seamen section of the ship. These dudes are the people whose ASVABs and IQs are barely high enough to even enter the Navy… they’re like the retarded folks. I remember they had their own pagan-cult going, and they claimed that the leader could do shit like walk through walls and even fly… no joke. I think quite a bit of their issues stemmed from being shit on (doing extreme grunt-work and having to work longer hours on more menial, low-IQ jobs than anybody else) and having self-esteem issues, and thus forming in a group like that to compensate for it. Paganism is being promoted by globalist organizations (not demoted), just like all kinds of demonic cults have been on the rise around the world. The West is working it’s way closer and closer to modern-day Babylon and Sodom and Gomorrah with all the different types of degeneracy being promoted and becoming more and more socially acceptable within it. Paganism is an absolute waste of time, not do mention totally delusional teachings.
Modern, mainstream Christianity has been badly infiltrated, subverted, and marginalized, and has all kinds of problems, but the core anti-sorcery message of Christianity is, and has always been very important and relevant, because life truly is a spiritual battle of good versus evil. The best thing Christians can do is avoid fundamentalism, hubris when it comes to different sects’ interpretations of various ambiguous verses and passages, identify how the religion has been infiltrated and subverted, and stick to what’s most applicable and relevant today. You know, and as a random side-example, Mormon women have to be just about the least whorish group of women today in the West. Sure they still have their share of whores, but compared to other groups, including atheists, Satanists, Jewish women, etc., etc., they’re very, or maybe even extremely anti-whore. Various sects of Christianity spending time bickering with each other over tiny, immaterial differences in view and detail today is pure bullshit that really needs to be avoided and cut out entirely because there are much, much bigger, cult-induced problems that they and/or their children are gonna be facing tomorrow.
Yes Fox, the future is in the hands of a select group of European folks who can figure this shit out and organize and take the proper precautions and counter-actions against the Kabal it’s minions and useful idiots working towards their demise! 🙂
Absolutely agreed there. The anti-sorcery message which can be found in christianity IS one of the valuables. Because a lot of people really have medicore morality, some absolutely no morals. The ones who are the Elite are the ones on the further end of that spectrum. In fact I think it would be maybe the only thing they really fear (the elites). Not even exposure of their plans. Just raw religious fear, like “you did the hit you did and now you will face the consequences”. Maybe that’s the only thing they fear because they certainly don’t seem to fear other shit regular people fear.
Yeah there are a few things I really didn’t expect to see about eight years ago. One of those was seeing so many buffoons buy into the flat-Earth theory (espeeecially truthertards who you’d think would have the wherewithal to actually fact-check and verify the veracity of claims before swallowing them whole and parroting them to everybody else).
The SECOND one was seeing so many morons buy into paganism. Might sound cruel, but the clowns deserve it.
You know, for the sake of humanity, there should be a law put in place where any statement you make regarding politics should be SEVERELY penalized if it happens to be false. Like you should be willing to bet the farm on any statement you make… or like 1,000:1 or something. If you DON’T PAY UP, you should be put in front of a firing squad in certain instances, or be forced to work at least eight hours a day for a year straight on a charity or something. I really want to emphasize being FORCED to pay up, because for example, I bet this bitch that the song we were listening to was Metallica because she was saying for a fact that it was somebody else and I knew who it was, and after finding out, the bitch didn’t want to pay. You know women love making excuses for anything they do wrong but expect men to “man up” for their mistakes. In the poker community you’d get completely ostracized for some dumb stunt like that. But anyway, this law would be a MASSIVE help to humanity because the goddamned clowns truly run the asylum and they’re dragging everyone else down with them due to their stupidity, laziness, and lack of morality.
Yeah one of the Bible’s end-times prophecies was that humanity was going to become lovers of themselves and you can totally see this with the rise of narcissism. There are some really cool Biblical passages that everybody should be aware of. 🙂