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Brandon Martinez & Ronny Cameron Discuss MGTOWs vs Incels

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I had a top-notch discussion with Canadian alt-right activist Ronny Cameron about MGTOW, feminism, female nature and Incels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qfcHtYG17M

25 thoughts on “Brandon Martinez & Ronny Cameron Discuss MGTOWs vs Incels”

  1. A long talk . . . it went well and covered a lot of topics.
    Ronny suggested that in future he might devote a broadcast to each of the main topics.
    He seems knowledgeable and articulate.
    Ronny was reluctant to discuss certain topics that might get his channel censored.
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    Moving on, and not directly related to the broadcast. Just an observation from everyday life.
    Belittling speech or signage is often done to ‘build up’ the speaker of it.
    Car stickers and everyday trivia in England.
    “Little Man On Board” – “Princess Onboard” – “Powered by Fairy Dust”.
    The phrase “Good Boy” is often heard when approaching a lady walking her dog.
    Mothers are fond of saying: “Come on Little Man time to go home”.
    Flirty women say to their partners “Come on Big Boy”.
    Well if it makes them happy to say these things, who are we to complain?

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    1. Some of the figures of speech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech women use whilst smiling between themselves, if men could decipher those words and looks then they would more than likely immediately think of the word deceitful or the phrase ‘the joke is on me’.
      Men we are at a disadvantage, especially if we are well meaning and too trusting.

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  2. “Follas menos que un casado” (“you shag less than a married man”) we say in this country for a reason.

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    1. 1. What does that mean?
      Figure of speech – cryptic insult – Funny ha ha maybe.?
      “For a reason” . . . for what reason?
      Trajano please decipher it in plain english thanks.
      I am not keen on riddles, I like to have everything unambiguously spelled out.
      2. What are you trying to say?
      Thanks

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      1. Married men in Spain have sex with their wives, maybe once a month,with luck.

        Being a Beta Provider is something natural born. You cannot help it.
        What is the difference between a Sigma male and a Beta male? Sigma males´s DNA is 100% mammal, meanwhile Beta Providers´DNA contains a high level of bird DNA.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pAQ7XEmY0M

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          1. I see your point.
            Life is tough sometimes.
            I wonder where the phrase “Happily Married” comes from.
            Is it an oxymoron?

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                1. Phil

                  Mr. Bond is quite good though.

                  Explain what you mean by that please and its relevance as a reply to my comment.

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                  1. Okay, I thought you were making a bored and random comment.
                    You are referring to a new black James Bond I think?
                    Is that correct?

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                    1. On that theme . . . Grace Jones was “May Day” in “View to a Kill” 1985.
                      Starring Roger Moore and Christopher Walken.
                      Walkern was in “The Deer Hunter” and loads of other big films.
                      Random factoid from wikipedia – Walken was one of the last persons to see Natalie Wood alive before her drowning, though he is not a suspect.

            2. It is. I don´t know a single married with children man. And I know some. Some of them pretend to be happy, they make a lot of hamstering, but that makes it even more pathetic.
              To be precise: I know a very happy married with NO children man in his 40s.
              The problem is not actually marriage but children.

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  4. The picture accompanying this article reinforces the nerdy image of incels and the macho image of mgtows.
    It is probably a generally true stereotype to make.
    However I am sure there are also cases where the comparison is reversed ie. macho incels and nerdy mgtows.
    Just saying.
    I could not believe an article in our local nespaper last week, it was about a 62 year old man who was still infactuated with a woman from his schooldays in 1972. He got into trouble with the law for not leaving her alone.
    Obviously the poor man has a problem with reality and the woman had to suffer the consequences of being persistently pursued.
    It was in the paper last week. The newspaper seemed to revel in stereotyping the poor (sick) man by saying he lived on his own along with 9 lifesize inflatable dolls.
    That newspaper is read by nearly everyone in the area and they are sensationalising a negative stereotype of older single men.
    All part of the media war against men, especially white men.
    In reality the stereotype only applies to a very small minority of clearly mentally ill ones.

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    1. Everard Cunion, now 62, said he “never got over” Julie Taylor, despite not having seen her since they left school in 1972.

      The lifelong bachelor, who lives with nine fully-sized plastic dolls at his home in Fairmile Road, Christchurch, decided to try and get back in touch with Ms Taylor earlier this year after losing his job.

      https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/16991643.everard-cunion-of-fairmile-road-admitted-stalking-a-former-schoolfriend/

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  5. JAM JR MGTOW Series Compilation (Note: Do not listen to this if you’re easily offended since Martinson doesn’t pull any punches or give one rat’s ass whom he offends, especially White Nationalists, but that’s somewhat understandable given that his first-hand experience was with guys who were part of the most retarded of all WN groups: Christian Identity, lol)

    http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/s84gx9dcbm/JAM_JR_MGTOW_compilation_11025.mp3

    As far as the laws in California are concerned, you can have one-night stands, three-night stands or one-week stands and still be MGTOW. You can even have one-month stands and still be MGTOW. But you can’t co-habit with anyone for more than a 6 month period in succession, you shouldn’t give the keys to your place to anyone, unless you’re planning to have kids with them and in that case you should only do it with someone who’s willing to home-school the kids outside the (((propaganda matrix))) and is already more-or-less within the so-called “truther” movement anyway.

    That’s not that hard to abide by and actually, it can be worked to your benefit, since it keeps the relationships themselves, should they develop beyond casual flings, fresh and unpredictable, as it’s been my experience out here in California. There’s less resentment and more friendship left once the initial attraction and spark somewhat fizzles out or is transferred more to a new interest. Also, if you meet that person again after not seeing them for a while, there’s much more chance of a rekindling of the relationship, in a short series of adventures rather than the long stale conformity to routine which is the usual paradigm of the completely bullshit and feminisr-promoted “dating scene,” where the rules of the game are a bunch of wuses trying to qualify themselves as “good enough” or “financialy responsible enough” for the favors of some skank with ten pounds of make-up on her face and fake boobs.

    This is not to say that every MGTOW is some kind of Alpha dog stud, not even close to it, but MGTOW is basically an ideology that develops your natural masculinity and even if you’re a divorced beta-wus right now and that’s what made you be such easy prey for avaricious and immoral women in the first place, you are more likely to become alpha following a MGTOW route than any other. Because on this route men are encouraged to work on themselves rather than for someone who doesn’t appreciate them, men are the prize, not the other way around: the few truly masculine and sexy men left and the others following in their wake who are certainly more likely to achieve the same plateau within this ideology than outside it.

    As far as anti-MGTOW WN’s are concerned. With White Europeans and Caucasians in general, it’s never been about quantity but quality. Europeans are never going to out-breed the other races and even they could, what would be the point of overpopulating the world with too many morons you don’t have the time to train and educate properly in fundamentals of rightous and unretarded, naturally masculine and feminine, living? The WN’s who only have one or two kids, have no place to talk, since they’re not even having enough offspring to counter the average non-European immigrant families are having in Europe (3 to 5 kids and more). And the ones who have gone nuts and had 5 or 6 kids without having the proper means to take care of them, even if they homeschool all their kids, what’s to prevent them from rebelling when theyr’e teenagers and becoming your worst nightmare, an SJW? lol Nothing all that much.

    The main thing that MGTOW need to worry about is a woman getting herself pregnant on purpose to get a meal ticket. And that’s enough of a headache in itself, since there’s not a masculine dude alive that likes wearing a ballon on his prick. If there was a male birth control pill, most of the BS we see now would not even exist and the fact that it hasn’t been invented certainly has a lot to do with the promotion of the feminist branch of the cultural Marxist agenda. All they have to do is simply not fund that area of research and fund its opposite, the people that give grants to researchers, scientists and such, the (((usurers and legalized counterfeiters))). I’m not against abortions in the first trimester, as it’s a necessity for unwanted pregnancies, beginning from rapes and gradually moving down to other regrettable unions entered into at the heat-of-a-moment that will likely produce problems in the future.

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  6. If any younger perma-geeks or “Incels” have jobs and are making money, they should, for the time being, keep living in their parent’s basement rent-free and before anything else spend their earnings on at least one good hooker (of around the $200/hour range) a week, and instruct her to teach them all the little tricks of the trade of how to “screw” well, and at least 3 martial arts lessons a week. At the end of a year, they will have banged 52 hookers and be down 10.4 grand, but they’ll have more experience than most guys out there who spent the same amount as a down payment on a car and went out to clubs and on dates and tried to score with “regular women” and didn’t do all that well, maybe got lucky once or twice a month at most. They might be down another 5 grand for the martial arts lessons, but they’ll be a much tougher and much more masculine for having sparred with all those guys for a whole year,

    The ones that aren’t making money should 1) Eat a high-protein/high-fat/low-to-zero-carb diet, the diet of all champions and athletes, in order to quickly get in shape, eating the meats and eggs and milk raw will accelerate the process of losing fat and gaining muscle, even without any extra exercise; if they go to the gym regularly, they’ll get in shape even faster. 2) find a cute fat girl and be one of the five or six losers in her orbit who beg her for sex because they can’t get it any other way. Their goal, if they end up the one she picks for a more steady boyfriend than the others, should be to get her on a high-proten/high-fat and low-carb diet so that she’ll turn into a fit girl and then they’ll have their “prize,” right, (since her face is already cute, just fat)? But, unfortunately, unless they become fit as well, fitter and better looking than her, she will have a very strong incentive to dump them as soon as she sees she can get higher-status guys.

    There are ways even for incels to solve their problems without having to be rosy-palming celibates forever, but they have to be creative about it and work outside societies regular cliches and boxes.

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  7. So many choices.
    I would think some guys do, or have done exactly what you outline there.
    It’s definitely a good idea to get some experience though.
    Depends how far you want to take it.
    Best way is probably to get it out of your system and conentrate on nice hobbies.
    Collecting is a good addiction to have, if you must have one . . . though can be expensive sometimes.

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  9. The other day I did the count of hookers banged since I am 15 (I am 48 now) and doing math is about 300. But probably that is not real number since many times I have been monogamous to a hooker.
    Sheme on me: most of the hookers were white, but some of them were black, Arab, Chinese, etc. But just a few.

    Regarding James Bond… to me he is not an alpha but a sigma, since he does not give a fuck about status. Actually, he even has not a social life out of job. Yes, many casinos, many martinis, but I am pretty sure that when he is at home, in London, he only hits the local pub and has a pretty unglamorous life.

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    1. No need to feel “shame” at all. One of the big problems for men is other men “shaming” them for going to hookers instead of trying to score “regular girls” who are far more dishonest and manipulative. If you listen to the above Jam-Jr. audio I posted, there’s a hilarious bit in there about guys “shaming” other guys over how they get their sexual gratification.

      Also, a regular girl who had 2 steady boyfriends for 2 years will probably have had sex at least 204 times; a husband? Probably 3 or 4 times a week in the first couple of years if not more; not all that different than higher-class hookers who usually don’t screw more than one or two customers a day. They don’t need to. Strippers usually make 500 bucks an hour when they hook on the side, plus the guy pays for the hotel room. So two customers would make them a thousand in two hours and non-strippers that are still very attractive can make 400 bucks a day in just a couple of hours, a really good payday for very little work and the hooker is providing a valuable service, whereas the “regular” girl is providing what exactly? Is she even fun to be with and a proper companion? Probably not, as she has to be “on her toes” to make sure the guy stays within the accepted rules of the game stipulated by feminism and cultural Marxism.

      So, hookers, as long as they’re the cleaner, more high class variety, are far safer than regular girls these days since most VD’s are easily curable, whereas a false rape accusation and a divorce that leaves you destitute, is not. Besides, if the hooker is an upper-class “escort” type, the chances of getting VD, even without a rubber, are very minimal. The validity of the germ theory of disease in general has been vastly over-estimated.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SirL-rxLhzs

      I drink raw milk and eat raw eggs and raw beef liver every day (all organic and from small family farms, of course, nothing factory farmed) and have yet to get sick even once, whereas eating too many carbs, of any kind, “organic or not,” always makes me feel like crap.

      Most “shame” is a s-ham born of retarded Abra-s-HAM-ic religions like Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Notice the HAM in shame, which is not as co-incidental as you might think since all since you should feel shame in the religion of the elites to eat ham, right? The ink-leash language itself is what keeps you on their leash of ink, dude. Do you shink that’s a co-incidence as well? Nope. They re-set the entire narrative of history every 400 years or so. My Australian buddy John Le Bon tried to find primary sources on Tesla and Herodotus and came up with nothing, zilch.

      https://www.johnlebon.com/podcasts/jlbp1684-nikola-tesla-a-scientism-priest/

      A large part of our supposed “history” is invented tales that put us in certain dramatic/traumatic paradigms and there’s a very good reason all of Hollywood is based on “drama,” the oldest cliche in the book: mind control. The dramatic form itself, only one way of interpreting life and not a very good one at that, is one of the main levers of mind-wash for the herd.

      http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/rvd448udj5/art_explains_entertainment_exploits_youngblood_gene_trauma_and_drama.jpg

      I don’t think they rewrite everything, that would be tedious, but they certainly re-SET the narratives and revise them for better benefits to themselves and better herd management for the common cattle, Israeli citizens included in the brainwash and maybe even given a higher dose of brainwash, as shown in the documentary “defamation.”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FDxQgTDsf0

      Of course, that entire film could be an elaborate public relations hoax to convince outsiders that the average Jew is just as brainwashed as them, so that they would have an excuse for all their nefarious activities: they were brainwashed into it, right? That would be a bit of a stretch but still a definite possibility, given how many other elaborate scams Jews have been involved in, and for each individual to decide on their own.

      We are dramatized (traumatized, same thing, same phonetics, different spell cast) at birth through barbaric violence (circumcision, toxic vaccines, etc.) and then having been cast in a fear-based script rather than a love-based one from day one, where horrors that chop half your dick off are presumably around every corner and no one can be trusted, they rise up to the challenge like little Marlon Brandos and take direction from the long line of “oscar and emmy winning” Shlomo Shekelsteins, i.e., Norman Lear, Stanley Kubrick, the holohoaxer Billy Wilder and the rest.

      The holohoax brainwashing got into full swing immediately at the end of WW II. Within a week of the capture of Buchenwald, the famous Hollywood director Billy Wilder was in the camp making a film of propaganda lies that still circulate to this day. An Billy Wilder at Buchenwald inadvertent picture of Wilder on the set at Buchenwald is shown to the left. The film, complete with props, claimed that the Nazis made soap from the fat of (Jewish only of course) prisoners, made lampshades from the skin of prisoners, and shrunk the heads of prisoners like in the Amazon. Even the holohoax establishment now admits these were all lies.

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      The holohoax brainwashing got into full swing immediately at the end of WW II. Within a week of the capture of Buchenwald, the famous Hollywood director Billy Wilder was in the camp making a film of propaganda lies that still circulate to this day. An inadvertent picture of Wilder on the set at Buchenwald is shown to the left. The film, complete with props, claimed that the Nazis made soap from the fat of (Jewish only of course) prisoners, made lampshades from the skin of prisoners, and shrunk the heads of prisoners like in the Amazon. Even the holohoax establishment now admits these were all lies. http://www.holohoax101.org/

      [/quote]

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